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Newsom referred to California as a "Nation State" repeatedly in his latest address, which is a great way to tell the Federal Government to pound sand. He took T

Newsom referred to California as a "Nation State" repeatedly in his latest address, which is a great way to tell the Federal Government to pound sand. He took Trump's call for each state to fend for itself seriously. I wouldn't say that he's not fighting with the president. He's been doing a great job though

leereeves 7y ago
> He took Trump's call for each state to fend for itself seriously. Is that really fighting with the President? Republicans have a fundamentally different philosophy about disaster management that matches their general philosophy about government. Democrats generally prefer a centralized response, while Republicans want local control. I haven't heard any Republican object to Calfornia acting independently. That's actually doing what Republicans prefer.
- henryfjordan 7y ago
  I suppose maybe he hasn't gone as far as "fighting with" the President over coronavirus. They've had "fights" in the past on other issues but you're right in that Newsom was very California-focussed recently. I think Newsom has realized that the federal government was caught with its pants down and will be useless for the rest of this crisis. He needed to step up and he did. Calling California a "Nation State" was a deliberate way of saying "we're on our own and we should be ready for that". It's a dig at the President but maybe not fighting words. It struck me as surprisingly anti-federalist, states-rights positive thing for a Democrat governor to be saying though. If the leader of a southern state was using those words, I'd be relatively upset (we fought a war over this in the 1800s). The fighting will no doubt resume when this is all over.
- BookmarkSaver 7y ago
  >while Republicans want to not pay for it Fixed that for you.
- NotSammyHagar 7y ago
  But what's the intelligent local way to deal with a pandemic? All I see is ignoring the problem, insisting it's some kind of liberal conspiracy.
uoaei 7y ago
Wouldn't it be wild if this triggered secession?
- nostrademons 7y ago
  It might. Historically pandemics have remade the global map and socio-economic system. The combination of WW1 + Spanish Flu led to the collapse of the Russian, Austrian, Ottoman, and Chinese empires along with the formation of the UK and a resurgent American, German, and Italian nationalism. Black Death led to the collapse of the feudal system and the rise of bourgeoise capitalism. The Plague of Justinian laid to rest any hopes that the Byzantine empire would recapture the Western Roman Empire and lead to a reunified Rome. I could see this being the start of a ~10 year period of social unrest, plague, and natural calamities that eventually destroys the nation-state in favor of a loose conglomeration of city-states.
  - uoaei 7y ago
    I see the appeal of a "confederacy" in the abstract sense of loosely-associated states that fall under a common banner in times of war or intense need.

leereeves 7y ago

> He took Trump's call for each state to fend for itself seriously. Is that really fighting with the President? Republicans have a fundamentally different philosophy about disaster management that matches their general philosophy about government. Democrats generally prefer a centralized response, while Republicans want local control. I haven't heard any Republican object to Calfornia acting independently. That's actually doing what Republicans prefer.

henryfjordan 7y ago
I suppose maybe he hasn't gone as far as "fighting with" the President over coronavirus. They've had "fights" in the past on other issues but you're right in that Newsom was very California-focussed recently. I think Newsom has realized that the federal government was caught with its pants down and will be useless for the rest of this crisis. He needed to step up and he did. Calling California a "Nation State" was a deliberate way of saying "we're on our own and we should be ready for that". It's a dig at the President but maybe not fighting words. It struck me as surprisingly anti-federalist, states-rights positive thing for a Democrat governor to be saying though. If the leader of a southern state was using those words, I'd be relatively upset (we fought a war over this in the 1800s). The fighting will no doubt resume when this is all over.
BookmarkSaver 7y ago
>while Republicans want to not pay for it Fixed that for you.
NotSammyHagar 7y ago
But what's the intelligent local way to deal with a pandemic? All I see is ignoring the problem, insisting it's some kind of liberal conspiracy.

uoaei 7y ago

Wouldn't it be wild if this triggered secession?

nostrademons 7y ago
It might. Historically pandemics have remade the global map and socio-economic system. The combination of WW1 + Spanish Flu led to the collapse of the Russian, Austrian, Ottoman, and Chinese empires along with the formation of the UK and a resurgent American, German, and Italian nationalism. Black Death led to the collapse of the feudal system and the rise of bourgeoise capitalism. The Plague of Justinian laid to rest any hopes that the Byzantine empire would recapture the Western Roman Empire and lead to a reunified Rome. I could see this being the start of a ~10 year period of social unrest, plague, and natural calamities that eventually destroys the nation-state in favor of a loose conglomeration of city-states.
- uoaei 7y ago
  I see the appeal of a "confederacy" in the abstract sense of loosely-associated states that fall under a common banner in times of war or intense need.