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There is no doubt Cuomo should be the national point person for the response to the crisis based on his performance so far. He is independently working with reg

There is no doubt Cuomo should be the national point person for the response to the crisis based on his performance so far. He is independently working with regional manufacturing to retool to make critical medical PPE and ventilators, and has organized a regional coalition including CT, NJ, and PA. I have not agreed with him all the time, but his crisis management has been exemplary and he will have saved many lives in NY by the time this is done.

dev1n 7y ago
It helps to be advised by one of the best people in healthcare too, Dr. Howard Zucker.
- throwaway5752 7y ago
  A big leadership quality is the ability to identify expertise and listen to it.
tanilama 7y ago
Yeah, he seems to be on top of things, other than being dismissive at first, then drastic change course when meeting with criticism
- SN76477 7y ago
  I don't mind that someone was dismissive weeks ago. I know I was. Now, I have been inside for 5 days. I saw that it was turning serious.
  - TrumpMyGuns 7y ago
    Yet this is why people are crying about Trump, lmao!
  - rightbyte 7y ago
    It didn't hit me emotionally until the pasta and toilet paper was out of stock in the stores but I would easily have taken precautions way earlier if I had any power when it hit me "rationally" in late January. The response is just way too late. Exercises should have been done. The army hospital tent should already be in place, food delivery to homes should already be in place etc.
- dyingkneepad 7y ago
  There are people who will be in their deathbed due to COVID-19 and still be dismissive to it. Changing opinions when facts change is not a given for everyone :/
  - uoaei 7y ago
    You're talking about low-info by-standers and comparing them to someone who should be governing an important state in the richest nation in the world. There is no comparison here. He is doing a subpar job given his responsibilities.
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ransom1538 7y ago
Sorry what? His state has the highest infection rate and he just NOW did a 100% workforce reduction. He hasn't even issued "a shelter in place" order. BARS WERE OPEN MONDAY. Thousands of deaths will be on his hands. I think he should be criminally prosecuted. NY needs to be locked down NOW.
- gdulli 7y ago
  I think there's a social engineering aspect of this where it's believed by governments that drastic measures wouldn't be accepted by the public overnight. They think something like a shelter could only go smoothly after a period of ramping up to it with a period of persistent messaging and getting people used to less drastic measures first. Think of how many (more) people would be ignoring this and writing it off as a hoax if they were told out of nowhere that they had to stay home. We're getting a picture (Burr) that the federal government knew these measures were coming a while back. My guess is that if governors and mayors of large cities had been read in back then they'd have started prepping local measures earlier.
  - darawk 7y ago
    I agree that western governments seem to believe this, but I don't believe it's true. All you have to do is start enforcing the order, and people will start to get the message.
    - gdulli 7y ago
      I don't know if it's true or not, but believing it and ramping up to drastic measures isn't negligence and certainly doesn't warrant criminal prosecution, as the commenter suggested. I think an abrupt enforced order for people to stay home would be a disaster. Aside from all the people who distrust authority for the sake of distrusting authority, and all the resistance and denial it would breed, what happens when law enforcement starts getting sick and infecting all the people they have to forcibly keep home or detain?
- fennecfoxen 7y ago
  For good and for ill, it is Constitutionally problematic to "lock down" an entire state, as it is essentially placing millions of people under arrest, which in the general case is a stupefyingly terrible power for any government to wield. On the other hand, the state can totally shut down businesses. In circumstances like this, it is not suspect in the least. I will further note that for Cuomo to be criminally prosecuted, he would need to commit some crime. Now, this happens sometimes in NY government (quite often, really) but it usually involves corruption; I am not aware of any particular law he has violated in acquitting his duties in this matter. Anger may indeed be quite justified, but when politicians are prosecuted for their policies after the fact, this is usually more effective at turning a place into a banana republic than it is at improving the quality of the policies.
zone411 7y ago
This should've been done much sooner, certainly before St. Patrick's Day. He rejected an earlier proposal by De Blasio. It was obvious that this was coming and also clear that NYC would've been hit very hard. No state government has done well.
- teruakohatu 7y ago
  Couldn't De Blasio have done the same for NYC? (an actual question, I assumed he would have the power). Because pushing the hard decision up the chain seems like a win win for De Blasio, can't be blamed either way.
vincentmarle 7y ago
I think that Gov Newsom of CA has been doing a way better job than Cuomo: - implements stricter measures faster and more decisively, while having a lower case count - doesn't fight with his mayors or the President - no false promises or statements that need to be taken back days later
- throwaway5752 7y ago
  He's done great, too, and if either of them were in charge of coordinating the response it would be preferable.
- henryfjordan 7y ago
  Newsom referred to California as a "Nation State" repeatedly in his latest address, which is a great way to tell the Federal Government to pound sand. He took Trump's call for each state to fend for itself seriously. I wouldn't say that he's not fighting with the president. He's been doing a great job though
  - leereeves 7y ago
    > He took Trump's call for each state to fend for itself seriously. Is that really fighting with the President? Republicans have a fundamentally different philosophy about disaster management that matches their general philosophy about government. Democrats generally prefer a centralized response, while Republicans want local control. I haven't heard any Republican object to Calfornia acting independently. That's actually doing what Republicans prefer.
    - henryfjordan 7y ago
      I suppose maybe he hasn't gone as far as "fighting with" the President over coronavirus. They've had "fights" in the past on other issues but you're right in that Newsom was very California-focussed recently. I think Newsom has realized that the federal government was caught with its pants down and will be useless for the rest of this crisis. He needed to step up and he did. Calling California a "Nation State" was a deliberate way of saying "we're on our own and we should be ready for that". It's a dig at the President but maybe not fighting words. It struck me as surprisingly anti-federalist, states-rights positive thing for a Democrat governor to be saying though. If the leader of a southern state was using those words, I'd be relatively upset (we fought a war over this in the 1800s). The fighting will no doubt resume when this is all over.
staticassertion 7y ago
As far as I can tell he's been way too slow and this is still not a lock down, so I'm unsure why I see so much praise for him. I suspect it's because he did a cutesy interview.
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vinniejames 7y ago
Cuomo said 24hours ago he would not implement a total shutdown. He changed his mind hours later following California's lead. Being a fast follower is good, but not exemplary
- halfmatthalfcat 7y ago
  And he’s still not implementing a total shutdown. He’s implementing 100% work from home unless for essential businesses. He’s also been on track to do this since earlier this week as he’s been slowly ratcheting up that number from 50% to the full 100% today. This isn’t a competition between Governors as each of their municipalities are different and have unique circumstances.
asdff 7y ago
Cuomo is two weeks too late due to plugging his ears and ignoring his public health advisors.
vanattab 7y ago
I think the strongest leadership we have seen from any of the governors has been Mike Dewine of ohio. He acted quickly and with out regards to politics or the economy. I was especially impressed by his postpoent of the primaries. If Ohio keeps the curve below the ICU capacity it's going to be thanks to him and Amy Acton.

dev1n 7y ago

It helps to be advised by one of the best people in healthcare too, Dr. Howard Zucker.

throwaway5752 7y ago
A big leadership quality is the ability to identify expertise and listen to it.

tanilama 7y ago

Yeah, he seems to be on top of things, other than being dismissive at first, then drastic change course when meeting with criticism

SN76477 7y ago
I don't mind that someone was dismissive weeks ago. I know I was. Now, I have been inside for 5 days. I saw that it was turning serious.
- TrumpMyGuns 7y ago
  Yet this is why people are crying about Trump, lmao!
- rightbyte 7y ago
  It didn't hit me emotionally until the pasta and toilet paper was out of stock in the stores but I would easily have taken precautions way earlier if I had any power when it hit me "rationally" in late January. The response is just way too late. Exercises should have been done. The army hospital tent should already be in place, food delivery to homes should already be in place etc.
dyingkneepad 7y ago
There are people who will be in their deathbed due to COVID-19 and still be dismissive to it. Changing opinions when facts change is not a given for everyone :/
- uoaei 7y ago
  You're talking about low-info by-standers and comparing them to someone who should be governing an important state in the richest nation in the world. There is no comparison here. He is doing a subpar job given his responsibilities.
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ransom1538 7y ago

Sorry what? His state has the highest infection rate and he just NOW did a 100% workforce reduction. He hasn't even issued "a shelter in place" order. BARS WERE OPEN MONDAY. Thousands of deaths will be on his hands. I think he should be criminally prosecuted. NY needs to be locked down NOW.

gdulli 7y ago
I think there's a social engineering aspect of this where it's believed by governments that drastic measures wouldn't be accepted by the public overnight. They think something like a shelter could only go smoothly after a period of ramping up to it with a period of persistent messaging and getting people used to less drastic measures first. Think of how many (more) people would be ignoring this and writing it off as a hoax if they were told out of nowhere that they had to stay home. We're getting a picture (Burr) that the federal government knew these measures were coming a while back. My guess is that if governors and mayors of large cities had been read in back then they'd have started prepping local measures earlier.
- darawk 7y ago
  I agree that western governments seem to believe this, but I don't believe it's true. All you have to do is start enforcing the order, and people will start to get the message.
  - gdulli 7y ago
    I don't know if it's true or not, but believing it and ramping up to drastic measures isn't negligence and certainly doesn't warrant criminal prosecution, as the commenter suggested. I think an abrupt enforced order for people to stay home would be a disaster. Aside from all the people who distrust authority for the sake of distrusting authority, and all the resistance and denial it would breed, what happens when law enforcement starts getting sick and infecting all the people they have to forcibly keep home or detain?
fennecfoxen 7y ago
For good and for ill, it is Constitutionally problematic to "lock down" an entire state, as it is essentially placing millions of people under arrest, which in the general case is a stupefyingly terrible power for any government to wield. On the other hand, the state can totally shut down businesses. In circumstances like this, it is not suspect in the least. I will further note that for Cuomo to be criminally prosecuted, he would need to commit some crime. Now, this happens sometimes in NY government (quite often, really) but it usually involves corruption; I am not aware of any particular law he has violated in acquitting his duties in this matter. Anger may indeed be quite justified, but when politicians are prosecuted for their policies after the fact, this is usually more effective at turning a place into a banana republic than it is at improving the quality of the policies.

zone411 7y ago

This should've been done much sooner, certainly before St. Patrick's Day. He rejected an earlier proposal by De Blasio. It was obvious that this was coming and also clear that NYC would've been hit very hard. No state government has done well.

teruakohatu 7y ago
Couldn't De Blasio have done the same for NYC? (an actual question, I assumed he would have the power). Because pushing the hard decision up the chain seems like a win win for De Blasio, can't be blamed either way.

vincentmarle 7y ago

I think that Gov Newsom of CA has been doing a way better job than Cuomo: - implements stricter measures faster and more decisively, while having a lower case count - doesn't fight with his mayors or the President - no false promises or statements that need to be taken back days later

throwaway5752 7y ago
He's done great, too, and if either of them were in charge of coordinating the response it would be preferable.
henryfjordan 7y ago
Newsom referred to California as a "Nation State" repeatedly in his latest address, which is a great way to tell the Federal Government to pound sand. He took Trump's call for each state to fend for itself seriously. I wouldn't say that he's not fighting with the president. He's been doing a great job though
- leereeves 7y ago
  > He took Trump's call for each state to fend for itself seriously. Is that really fighting with the President? Republicans have a fundamentally different philosophy about disaster management that matches their general philosophy about government. Democrats generally prefer a centralized response, while Republicans want local control. I haven't heard any Republican object to Calfornia acting independently. That's actually doing what Republicans prefer.
  - henryfjordan 7y ago
    I suppose maybe he hasn't gone as far as "fighting with" the President over coronavirus. They've had "fights" in the past on other issues but you're right in that Newsom was very California-focussed recently. I think Newsom has realized that the federal government was caught with its pants down and will be useless for the rest of this crisis. He needed to step up and he did. Calling California a "Nation State" was a deliberate way of saying "we're on our own and we should be ready for that". It's a dig at the President but maybe not fighting words. It struck me as surprisingly anti-federalist, states-rights positive thing for a Democrat governor to be saying though. If the leader of a southern state was using those words, I'd be relatively upset (we fought a war over this in the 1800s). The fighting will no doubt resume when this is all over.

staticassertion 7y ago

As far as I can tell he's been way too slow and this is still not a lock down, so I'm unsure why I see so much praise for him. I suspect it's because he did a cutesy interview.

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vinniejames 7y ago

Cuomo said 24hours ago he would not implement a total shutdown. He changed his mind hours later following California's lead. Being a fast follower is good, but not exemplary

halfmatthalfcat 7y ago
And he’s still not implementing a total shutdown. He’s implementing 100% work from home unless for essential businesses. He’s also been on track to do this since earlier this week as he’s been slowly ratcheting up that number from 50% to the full 100% today. This isn’t a competition between Governors as each of their municipalities are different and have unique circumstances.

asdff 7y ago

Cuomo is two weeks too late due to plugging his ears and ignoring his public health advisors.

vanattab 7y ago

I think the strongest leadership we have seen from any of the governors has been Mike Dewine of ohio. He acted quickly and with out regards to politics or the economy. I was especially impressed by his postpoent of the primaries. If Ohio keeps the curve below the ICU capacity it's going to be thanks to him and Amy Acton.