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What does "cancel culture" have to do with containment measures taken in response to a global pandemic?

mistermann 7y ago
I posted above the speculative concept of crisis fatigue, which may lead to decreased harmony in a society.
s1artibartfast 7y ago
I think the applicable concept concept is that cancle culture is ineffective at changing minds and a more compassionate approach is more appropriate in both the short and long run. Hate and shame feeds reactionary behavior and is counter productive. If you disagree with someone, empathize with them as a human being and explain how their behavior is hurting others
- IAmEveryone 7y ago
  Hate and shame are evolutionary mechanisms to get people to follow group norms. As long as they hurt (something you seem to accept), people will try to avoid them. It’s also worth noting that these are mild measures compared to the other stick societies like to use, criminal law. If people felt confident that rapists were prosecuted not just in cases where their victims number in the dozens (Weinstein, Crosby), they wouldn’t feel the need to use social and economic pressure. It's also nothing new: "In Ancient Greece the Athenians had a procedure known as "ostracism" in which all citizens could write a person's name on a shard of broken pottery (called ostraka) and place it in a large container in a public place. If an individual's name was written a sufficient number of times, he was "ostracized"—banished from the city for ten years. This was normally practiced against individuals who had behaved in some way that offended the community." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outcast_(person) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outcast_(person)
  - munificent 7y ago
    Yes, but those mechanisms evolved when shaming meant doing so in person to someone in front of a dozen other people in a hunter-gatherer society. That same mechanism amplified by social media is no longer as adaptive. It's natural and fairly reasonable to snap at someone if they are rude to you. But if you jam a bullhorn in their face and yell into that, it's no longer appropriate. The emotion and impulse are the same, but the technology changes the manifestation of them.
  - babesh 7y ago
    Mob rule killed Socrates
  - s1artibartfast 7y ago
    Tactics which evolved hundreds of thousands of years ago and worked in societies of 50 people are not all applicable today. Some actively lead to the division and extremism we we see today in our society
IAmEveryone 7y ago
OP seem to be saying it’s “rocking the boat”, i. e. he is pining for a nice and orderly world where people just get along. And while he sees that it’s impossible to stop every single rapist, he’s willing to settle for victims just not bothering him with it.

I posted above the speculative concept of crisis fatigue, which may lead to decreased harmony in a society.

I think the applicable concept concept is that cancle culture is ineffective at changing minds and a more compassionate approach is more appropriate in both the short and long run. Hate and shame feeds reactionary behavior and is counter productive. If you disagree with someone, empathize with them as a human being and explain how their behavior is hurting others

IAmEveryone 7y ago
Hate and shame are evolutionary mechanisms to get people to follow group norms. As long as they hurt (something you seem to accept), people will try to avoid them. It’s also worth noting that these are mild measures compared to the other stick societies like to use, criminal law. If people felt confident that rapists were prosecuted not just in cases where their victims number in the dozens (Weinstein, Crosby), they wouldn’t feel the need to use social and economic pressure. It's also nothing new: "In Ancient Greece the Athenians had a procedure known as "ostracism" in which all citizens could write a person's name on a shard of broken pottery (called ostraka) and place it in a large container in a public place. If an individual's name was written a sufficient number of times, he was "ostracized"—banished from the city for ten years. This was normally practiced against individuals who had behaved in some way that offended the community." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outcast_(person) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outcast_(person)
- munificent 7y ago
  Yes, but those mechanisms evolved when shaming meant doing so in person to someone in front of a dozen other people in a hunter-gatherer society. That same mechanism amplified by social media is no longer as adaptive. It's natural and fairly reasonable to snap at someone if they are rude to you. But if you jam a bullhorn in their face and yell into that, it's no longer appropriate. The emotion and impulse are the same, but the technology changes the manifestation of them.
- babesh 7y ago
  Mob rule killed Socrates
- s1artibartfast 7y ago
  Tactics which evolved hundreds of thousands of years ago and worked in societies of 50 people are not all applicable today. Some actively lead to the division and extremism we we see today in our society

IAmEveryone 7y ago

OP seem to be saying it’s “rocking the boat”, i. e. he is pining for a nice and orderly world where people just get along. And while he sees that it’s impossible to stop every single rapist, he’s willing to settle for victims just not bothering him with it.