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There is no law enforcement action being taken for the NY or CA order. They’re relying on “social-pressure” to keep people inside.

CydeWeys 7y ago
I've seen videos of NYPD going in and telling people in restaurants to clear out (from days ago). I wouldn't be surprised to see NYPD telling people to clear out for this too.
- CydeWeys 7y ago
  Adding onto this, people are indeed being arrested and charged by the NYPD for disorderly conduct and failing to disperse: https://www.nydailynews.com/coronavirus/ny-coronavirus-state-pulls-liquor-licence-of-restaurant-20200320-eyu7qlo5rndodpi3snfdx5bkzi-story.html?outputType=amp&__twitter_impression=true https://www.nydailynews.com/coronavirus/ny-coronavirus-state... More broadly, if you live in NYC and know the NYPD, then of course they're going to respond in this manner when such orders come out. When they have authority, they use it.
psychlops 7y ago
It takes time to criminalize freedom. For some, it can't happen fast enough.
- Thriptic 7y ago
  If someone wants to exercise their freedoms and accept responsibility for harm they cause to themselves, I don't have a problem with that. I do however have a problem with someone's exercise of their freedoms causing physical harm to me without my consent. In the same way that it's not acceptable to get lit and then drive a car because it creates a risk to other people, people should shut up and stay inside when told to do so in this context as they risk getting sick or being sick and spreading the disease to others, potentially killing them.
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  - psychlops 7y ago
    That's how it should work. Excellent example. Automobile deaths account for over 3000 deaths per day, far in excess of what covid19 has or will do. Given that information, it seems that you would recommend people "shut up and stay inside" due to the "risk to other people". This is not rational. Giving up everyone's freedom and accepting simple authoritarian solutions a few vocal people want is not a good approach. Punishing perfectly healthy people by threat of imprisonment as a result of the absence of planning by the nation's healthcare and government is not a reasonable response.
    - senordevnyc 7y ago
      That 3000+ per day is for the entire globe. And horrifyingly, there’s a chance the US alone will surpass that for some period in the coming weeks. Italy recorded 600+ today, and we’re much bigger. Plus we are way behind on locking down.
      - psychlops 7y ago
        That sounds horrifying. What information leads you to believe that the United States will be having so many automobile deaths in the coming weeks?
        senordevnyc 7y ago
        Don’t be purposely obtuse. You know what I meant.
danaris 7y ago
From my reading of it, the NY order is directed at businesses—essentially, "you must not require your employees to be on site." It's not primarily intended to tell individuals "you must stay home," just to strongly encourage that and make it easier for us to do so.
CydeWeys 7y ago
3 days later and the law enforcement action is beginning in NYC: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/24/nyregion/coronavirus-new-york-update.html?action=click&module=Spotlight&pgtype=Homepage https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/24/nyregion/coronavirus-new-...

CydeWeys 7y ago

I've seen videos of NYPD going in and telling people in restaurants to clear out (from days ago). I wouldn't be surprised to see NYPD telling people to clear out for this too.

CydeWeys 7y ago
Adding onto this, people are indeed being arrested and charged by the NYPD for disorderly conduct and failing to disperse: https://www.nydailynews.com/coronavirus/ny-coronavirus-state-pulls-liquor-licence-of-restaurant-20200320-eyu7qlo5rndodpi3snfdx5bkzi-story.html?outputType=amp&__twitter_impression=true https://www.nydailynews.com/coronavirus/ny-coronavirus-state... More broadly, if you live in NYC and know the NYPD, then of course they're going to respond in this manner when such orders come out. When they have authority, they use it.

psychlops 7y ago

It takes time to criminalize freedom. For some, it can't happen fast enough.

Thriptic 7y ago
If someone wants to exercise their freedoms and accept responsibility for harm they cause to themselves, I don't have a problem with that. I do however have a problem with someone's exercise of their freedoms causing physical harm to me without my consent. In the same way that it's not acceptable to get lit and then drive a car because it creates a risk to other people, people should shut up and stay inside when told to do so in this context as they risk getting sick or being sick and spreading the disease to others, potentially killing them.
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- psychlops 7y ago
  That's how it should work. Excellent example. Automobile deaths account for over 3000 deaths per day, far in excess of what covid19 has or will do. Given that information, it seems that you would recommend people "shut up and stay inside" due to the "risk to other people". This is not rational. Giving up everyone's freedom and accepting simple authoritarian solutions a few vocal people want is not a good approach. Punishing perfectly healthy people by threat of imprisonment as a result of the absence of planning by the nation's healthcare and government is not a reasonable response.
  - senordevnyc 7y ago
    That 3000+ per day is for the entire globe. And horrifyingly, there’s a chance the US alone will surpass that for some period in the coming weeks. Italy recorded 600+ today, and we’re much bigger. Plus we are way behind on locking down.
    - psychlops 7y ago
      That sounds horrifying. What information leads you to believe that the United States will be having so many automobile deaths in the coming weeks?
      - senordevnyc 7y ago
        Don’t be purposely obtuse. You know what I meant.

danaris 7y ago

From my reading of it, the NY order is directed at businesses—essentially, "you must not require your employees to be on site." It's not primarily intended to tell individuals "you must stay home," just to strongly encourage that and make it easier for us to do so.

CydeWeys 7y ago

3 days later and the law enforcement action is beginning in NYC: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/24/nyregion/coronavirus-new-york-update.html?action=click&module=Spotlight&pgtype=Homepage https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/24/nyregion/coronavirus-new-...