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You think the risk is negligible. The rest of the world does not. Good for you being a "contrarian," but neither you nor Gamestop get to act on each and every o

You think the risk is negligible. The rest of the world does not. Good for you being a "contrarian," but neither you nor Gamestop get to act on each and every one of your contrarian thoughts. Lots of people, if left to decide these matters for themselves, decide that the risks of their behaviour are negligible. That's why Spring Break is crowded. But you aren't even framing this correctly. It is not just about the risk of a 20-something retail employee dying. It's also about the risk of them transmitting it to each other and to customers, who in turn transmit it to people who have a non-negligible risk of dying. Get a grip. This is not an abstract argument, we are watching thousands of people die from this, and we believe that community transmission comes from otherwise healthy people passing it around long before they have any symptoms at all, and those carriers need not die to cause the deaths of others.

ceilingcorner 7y ago
Again, learn how to have a conversation without the condescending attitude. This is a complex issue with multiple variables and costs. You are not automatically right because you agree with the mob. A cursory reading of history should make this obvious, but unfortunately that seems too much to ask of people nowadays. They'd rather spend their time looking down at those with the "wrong" opinion. > You think the risk is negligible. The rest of the world does not. The catch here is that people are really short-sighted evolved primates. While shutting down the entire world will indeed stop the virus, it is already having an innumerable number of unpredictable effects like putting millions out of work, crashing the economy, diverting resources from other medical issues, to name a few. The statistics are pretty unconvincing so far, to me personally, in order to justify a long-term shutdown. > This is not an abstract argument, we are watching thousands of people die from this, and we believe that community transmission comes from otherwise healthy people passing it around long before they have any symptoms at all, and those carriers need not die to cause the deaths of others. Millions die from obesity, car accidents, war, and the regular flu every year. Where's your outrage for that? Why are you not calling for the shutdown of McDonald's? The restriction of car use? These are vastly bigger issues that are actually controllable. As I said above: the actions being taken now will have consequences which have only just begun.
- dvtrn 7y ago
  Millions die from obesity, car accidents, war, and the regular flu every year. Where's your outrage for that? Does this comparison actually make sense in your mind? Considering the cadre of medical professionals point blank asking us (repeatedly) to stop comparing this to the flu?
  - ceilingcorner 7y ago
    Absolutely. People are using potential death counts as a reason for all these draconian measures. And yet, there are numerous other causes of death with straightforward, clear solutions. But we don't shut down society over them. In my mind, the main reasons that for the coronavirus hysteria are media overreaction, especially social media, and the fact that this "source of death" comes as a fast-acting virus, rather than something long-term and abstract like obesity. The whole "slowly boiling a frog" metaphor is apt here.
    - dvtrn 7y ago
      But we don't shut down society over them. Can you imagine any possible reason for why that might be?
      - ceilingcorner 7y ago
        Sorry, but I'm not really interested in responding to snarky sarcastic gotcha questions. If you have a point to make, make it.
        dvtrn 7y ago
        I'm not being snarky, I'm trying to understand your disagreement with the medical community who have repeatedly advised us "this is not like these other things, please do not compare them to these other things" vs your responses of "why aren't we acting like this with other stuff" and essentially doing exactly what the people trying to get us out of this are saying DON'T DO. That's my point. Could I have an answer?
hnta14235 7y ago
I'm an American. I'm a Gamer. I'm going to buy animal crossing today and there's NOTHING you can do to stop me. Just let that sink in.
- braythwayt 7y ago
  I'm a Canadian. I'm not a gamer, but my kids are. I bought Animal Crossing too, only I ordered it and it will be delivered next week. I chose to delay gratification in order to save other people's lives. Amazing, how things work when people behave like adults instead of toddlers who need their diapers changed. Let that sink in if you ever revisit this thread. p.s. No, we Canadians can't stop you from going to the store during a pandemic. But we can ask you to stay right where you are, and that's exactly what we did when we closed our border to non-essential traffic from the USA.

ceilingcorner 7y ago

Again, learn how to have a conversation without the condescending attitude. This is a complex issue with multiple variables and costs. You are not automatically right because you agree with the mob. A cursory reading of history should make this obvious, but unfortunately that seems too much to ask of people nowadays. They'd rather spend their time looking down at those with the "wrong" opinion. > You think the risk is negligible. The rest of the world does not. The catch here is that people are really short-sighted evolved primates. While shutting down the entire world will indeed stop the virus, it is already having an innumerable number of unpredictable effects like putting millions out of work, crashing the economy, diverting resources from other medical issues, to name a few. The statistics are pretty unconvincing so far, to me personally, in order to justify a long-term shutdown. > This is not an abstract argument, we are watching thousands of people die from this, and we believe that community transmission comes from otherwise healthy people passing it around long before they have any symptoms at all, and those carriers need not die to cause the deaths of others. Millions die from obesity, car accidents, war, and the regular flu every year. Where's your outrage for that? Why are you not calling for the shutdown of McDonald's? The restriction of car use? These are vastly bigger issues that are actually controllable. As I said above: the actions being taken now will have consequences which have only just begun.

dvtrn 7y ago
Millions die from obesity, car accidents, war, and the regular flu every year. Where's your outrage for that? Does this comparison actually make sense in your mind? Considering the cadre of medical professionals point blank asking us (repeatedly) to stop comparing this to the flu?
- ceilingcorner 7y ago
  Absolutely. People are using potential death counts as a reason for all these draconian measures. And yet, there are numerous other causes of death with straightforward, clear solutions. But we don't shut down society over them. In my mind, the main reasons that for the coronavirus hysteria are media overreaction, especially social media, and the fact that this "source of death" comes as a fast-acting virus, rather than something long-term and abstract like obesity. The whole "slowly boiling a frog" metaphor is apt here.
  - dvtrn 7y ago
    But we don't shut down society over them. Can you imagine any possible reason for why that might be?
    - ceilingcorner 7y ago
      Sorry, but I'm not really interested in responding to snarky sarcastic gotcha questions. If you have a point to make, make it.
      - dvtrn 7y ago
        I'm not being snarky, I'm trying to understand your disagreement with the medical community who have repeatedly advised us "this is not like these other things, please do not compare them to these other things" vs your responses of "why aren't we acting like this with other stuff" and essentially doing exactly what the people trying to get us out of this are saying DON'T DO. That's my point. Could I have an answer?

hnta14235 7y ago

I'm an American. I'm a Gamer. I'm going to buy animal crossing today and there's NOTHING you can do to stop me. Just let that sink in.

braythwayt 7y ago
I'm a Canadian. I'm not a gamer, but my kids are. I bought Animal Crossing too, only I ordered it and it will be delivered next week. I chose to delay gratification in order to save other people's lives. Amazing, how things work when people behave like adults instead of toddlers who need their diapers changed. Let that sink in if you ever revisit this thread. p.s. No, we Canadians can't stop you from going to the store during a pandemic. But we can ask you to stay right where you are, and that's exactly what we did when we closed our border to non-essential traffic from the USA.