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I probably missed a few news cycles, but what Musk and Bezos do you would class as disgusting during this crisis? I heard Tesla is going to produce ventilators

I probably missed a few news cycles, but what Musk and Bezos do you would class as disgusting during this crisis? I heard Tesla is going to produce ventilators?

jrimbault 7y ago
> I heard Tesla is going to produce ventilators? I think the quote was something more like (from memory so meh) : "Going to produce ventilators if there are shortages."
sb8244 7y ago
Actions like https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/17/tesla-keeps-fremont-factory-open-amid-covid-19-shelter-in-place-orders.html https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/17/tesla-keeps-fremont-factory-... are not a good view. It is worth noting that this plant will close on March 23 after the backlash, but probably only because of the backlash.
mellavora 7y ago
Elon Musk is apparently pushing bullshit cures, specifically chloroquine This is a malaria drug. Also, it can be fatal if not properly dosed. It is especially problematic that Musk is promoting this, given that part of his reputation is that he gets his science right; he is bold, takes risks, but he at least has science/facts/truth/math on his side. https://decrypt.co/22946/elon-musk-shares-coronavirus-cure-pushed-by-bitcoin-fans?amp=1 https://decrypt.co/22946/elon-musk-shares-coronavirus-cure-p...
- brink 7y ago
  It's not proven to be bullshit. The evidence we have is suggesting otherwise.
- nv-vn 7y ago
  They've been using chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine as a treatment in South Korea for over a month now. It's not a "bullshit cure" just because it's not FDA approved yet. There's a number of papers showing that these drugs can successfully treat COVID-19.
  - weare138 7y ago
    But it's not a cure either and it's a dangerous drug. Musk isn't a doctor and shouldn't be giving medical advice. Chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine has an extremely narrow threshold between an effective dose and a fatal dose. People are already trying to acquire it themselves and it's only a matter of time before someone accidentally kills themselves because of the misinformation surrounding it being pushed by non-professional pundits on Twitter.
- salmon30salmon 7y ago
  This isn't a bullshit cure. It has shown be effective in several studies, including those in France and China: https://www.covidtrial.io https://www.covidtrial.io Before you start spreading FUD, learn a thing or two about the topic.
- wh-uws 7y ago
  No one is saying its a cure all. but it is far from bullshit and is showing early promise in trials in China and Italy. i.e. https://www.reddit.com/r/COVID19/comments/fkizd0/we_were_able_to_ascertain_that_patients_who_had/ https://www.reddit.com/r/COVID19/comments/fkizd0/we_were_abl... I'm for Musk skepticism and he started off complete on the wrong footing on this thing but if you don't know what you are talking about don't make claims like this
sjburt 7y ago
Tesla refused to close the Fremont plant and told workers they were essential because they were providing transportation [1]. Musk has also said that the virus response has been overblown. [2] Musk is now saying that they well produce ventilators, although they have no design, no experience in medical devices, and a factory that makes cars, not ventilators... [1] https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a31748353/tesla-alameda-county-fremont-factory-compromise/ https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a31748353/tesla-alameda-co... [2] https://mobile.twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1236558461824978944 https://mobile.twitter.com/elonmusk/status/12365584618249789...
- ascagnel_ 7y ago
  > Musk is now saying that they well produce ventilators, although they have no design, no experience in medical devices, and a factory that makes cars, not ventilators... He's also said they will only do so in the event of a shortage -- he has not said he'll be proactive and divert manufacturing resources to prevent any shortage. Worth noting that SpaceX, not Tesla, would be the business making the ventilators, as they already make similar equipment for space travel.
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- voxic11 7y ago
  This would be coming from the SpaceX manufacturing facilities, and doesn't SpaceX make life support systems for their Crew Dragon spacecraft?
  - toomuchtodo 7y ago
    They do. Elon mentions this in a thread between himself and the mayor of NYC on Twitter.
- casion 7y ago
  I'm no fan of Musk, but the tweet you linked does not say the response has been overblown. He's not incorrect in the tweet you linked: both cpf and mortality are currently overstated due to lack of testing and asymptomatic cases. He has plenty of other silly tweets such as: https://mobile.twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1236029449042198528 https://mobile.twitter.com/elonmusk/status/12360294490421985...
TeMPOraL 7y ago
I used to be Elon's fanboy until very recently, but I can't really explain his recent coronavirus tweets, saying that the panic is dumb, children don't get it, or that it'll all be over by April. He's the last person on the planet I'd suspect of not getting the basic math behind the infection, or the basic facts of it.
- cartoonfoxes 7y ago
  panic != concern. The point is abridged, but valid.
- turtlebits 7y ago
  He should keep these thoughts to himself for sure, but he’s not wrong. Hoarding toilet paper and food staples is dumb. Seasonal flu affects more kids and has worse symptoms than Coronavirus (as of now)
  - tasty_freeze 7y ago
    Is your argument that the number of people who die from the flu annually is greater than the number of people in the US who have died from the coronavirus in the past two weeks, and thus the coronavirus news is overblown? Look at the growth charts on this page: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/ https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/ About 10x more cases every 8 days. Sure, the medical care for the current number of critically ill people is OK for now, but can it handle 10x that in 8 days? 100x that in 16 days? Have you seen videos of hospital wards in Italy? But I agree, hoarding TP is dumb.
    - turtlebits 7y ago
      I'm not saying the news is overblown, but of those contracting the virus, kids are of least concern (mild to no symptoms), especially if they don't have any other serious health conditions.
      - WalterSear 7y ago

I probably missed a few news cycles, but what Musk and Bezos do you would class as disgusting during this crisis? I heard Tesla is going to produce ventilators?

jrimbault 7y ago

> I heard Tesla is going to produce ventilators? I think the quote was something more like (from memory so meh) : "Going to produce ventilators if there are shortages."

sb8244 7y ago

Actions like https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/17/tesla-keeps-fremont-factory-open-amid-covid-19-shelter-in-place-orders.html https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/17/tesla-keeps-fremont-factory-... are not a good view. It is worth noting that this plant will close on March 23 after the backlash, but probably only because of the backlash.

mellavora 7y ago

Elon Musk is apparently pushing bullshit cures, specifically chloroquine This is a malaria drug. Also, it can be fatal if not properly dosed. It is especially problematic that Musk is promoting this, given that part of his reputation is that he gets his science right; he is bold, takes risks, but he at least has science/facts/truth/math on his side. https://decrypt.co/22946/elon-musk-shares-coronavirus-cure-pushed-by-bitcoin-fans?amp=1 https://decrypt.co/22946/elon-musk-shares-coronavirus-cure-p...

brink 7y ago
It's not proven to be bullshit. The evidence we have is suggesting otherwise.
nv-vn 7y ago
They've been using chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine as a treatment in South Korea for over a month now. It's not a "bullshit cure" just because it's not FDA approved yet. There's a number of papers showing that these drugs can successfully treat COVID-19.
- weare138 7y ago
  But it's not a cure either and it's a dangerous drug. Musk isn't a doctor and shouldn't be giving medical advice. Chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine has an extremely narrow threshold between an effective dose and a fatal dose. People are already trying to acquire it themselves and it's only a matter of time before someone accidentally kills themselves because of the misinformation surrounding it being pushed by non-professional pundits on Twitter.
salmon30salmon 7y ago
This isn't a bullshit cure. It has shown be effective in several studies, including those in France and China: https://www.covidtrial.io https://www.covidtrial.io Before you start spreading FUD, learn a thing or two about the topic.
wh-uws 7y ago
No one is saying its a cure all. but it is far from bullshit and is showing early promise in trials in China and Italy. i.e. https://www.reddit.com/r/COVID19/comments/fkizd0/we_were_able_to_ascertain_that_patients_who_had/ https://www.reddit.com/r/COVID19/comments/fkizd0/we_were_abl... I'm for Musk skepticism and he started off complete on the wrong footing on this thing but if you don't know what you are talking about don't make claims like this

sjburt 7y ago

Tesla refused to close the Fremont plant and told workers they were essential because they were providing transportation [1]. Musk has also said that the virus response has been overblown. [2] Musk is now saying that they well produce ventilators, although they have no design, no experience in medical devices, and a factory that makes cars, not ventilators... [1] https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a31748353/tesla-alameda-county-fremont-factory-compromise/ https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a31748353/tesla-alameda-co... [2] https://mobile.twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1236558461824978944 https://mobile.twitter.com/elonmusk/status/12365584618249789...

ascagnel_ 7y ago
> Musk is now saying that they well produce ventilators, although they have no design, no experience in medical devices, and a factory that makes cars, not ventilators... He's also said they will only do so in the event of a shortage -- he has not said he'll be proactive and divert manufacturing resources to prevent any shortage. Worth noting that SpaceX, not Tesla, would be the business making the ventilators, as they already make similar equipment for space travel.
- deleted 7y ago
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voxic11 7y ago
This would be coming from the SpaceX manufacturing facilities, and doesn't SpaceX make life support systems for their Crew Dragon spacecraft?
- toomuchtodo 7y ago
  They do. Elon mentions this in a thread between himself and the mayor of NYC on Twitter.
casion 7y ago
I'm no fan of Musk, but the tweet you linked does not say the response has been overblown. He's not incorrect in the tweet you linked: both cpf and mortality are currently overstated due to lack of testing and asymptomatic cases. He has plenty of other silly tweets such as: https://mobile.twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1236029449042198528 https://mobile.twitter.com/elonmusk/status/12360294490421985...

TeMPOraL 7y ago

I used to be Elon's fanboy until very recently, but I can't really explain his recent coronavirus tweets, saying that the panic is dumb, children don't get it, or that it'll all be over by April. He's the last person on the planet I'd suspect of not getting the basic math behind the infection, or the basic facts of it.

cartoonfoxes 7y ago
panic != concern. The point is abridged, but valid.
turtlebits 7y ago
He should keep these thoughts to himself for sure, but he’s not wrong. Hoarding toilet paper and food staples is dumb. Seasonal flu affects more kids and has worse symptoms than Coronavirus (as of now)
- tasty_freeze 7y ago
  Is your argument that the number of people who die from the flu annually is greater than the number of people in the US who have died from the coronavirus in the past two weeks, and thus the coronavirus news is overblown? Look at the growth charts on this page: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/ https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/ About 10x more cases every 8 days. Sure, the medical care for the current number of critically ill people is OK for now, but can it handle 10x that in 8 days? 100x that in 16 days? Have you seen videos of hospital wards in Italy? But I agree, hoarding TP is dumb.
  - turtlebits 7y ago
    I'm not saying the news is overblown, but of those contracting the virus, kids are of least concern (mild to no symptoms), especially if they don't have any other serious health conditions.
    - WalterSear 7y ago