7 ms·

These executives are showing their true selves in this crisis and it is absolutely disgusting. From Elon Musk to Jeff Bezos, these are not idols, they are paras

These executives are showing their true selves in this crisis and it is absolutely disgusting. From Elon Musk to Jeff Bezos, these are not idols, they are parasites on our society.

uxcolumbo 7y ago
I probably missed a few news cycles, but what Musk and Bezos do you would class as disgusting during this crisis? I heard Tesla is going to produce ventilators?
- jrimbault 7y ago
  > I heard Tesla is going to produce ventilators? I think the quote was something more like (from memory so meh) : "Going to produce ventilators if there are shortages."
- sb8244 7y ago
  Actions like https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/17/tesla-keeps-fremont-factory-open-amid-covid-19-shelter-in-place-orders.html https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/17/tesla-keeps-fremont-factory-... are not a good view. It is worth noting that this plant will close on March 23 after the backlash, but probably only because of the backlash.
- mellavora 7y ago
  Elon Musk is apparently pushing bullshit cures, specifically chloroquine This is a malaria drug. Also, it can be fatal if not properly dosed. It is especially problematic that Musk is promoting this, given that part of his reputation is that he gets his science right; he is bold, takes risks, but he at least has science/facts/truth/math on his side. https://decrypt.co/22946/elon-musk-shares-coronavirus-cure-pushed-by-bitcoin-fans?amp=1 https://decrypt.co/22946/elon-musk-shares-coronavirus-cure-p...
  - brink 7y ago
    It's not proven to be bullshit. The evidence we have is suggesting otherwise.
  - nv-vn 7y ago
    They've been using chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine as a treatment in South Korea for over a month now. It's not a "bullshit cure" just because it's not FDA approved yet. There's a number of papers showing that these drugs can successfully treat COVID-19.
    - weare138 7y ago
      But it's not a cure either and it's a dangerous drug. Musk isn't a doctor and shouldn't be giving medical advice. Chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine has an extremely narrow threshold between an effective dose and a fatal dose. People are already trying to acquire it themselves and it's only a matter of time before someone accidentally kills themselves because of the misinformation surrounding it being pushed by non-professional pundits on Twitter.
  - salmon30salmon 7y ago
    This isn't a bullshit cure. It has shown be effective in several studies, including those in France and China: https://www.covidtrial.io https://www.covidtrial.io Before you start spreading FUD, learn a thing or two about the topic.
  - wh-uws 7y ago
    No one is saying its a cure all. but it is far from bullshit and is showing early promise in trials in China and Italy. i.e. https://www.reddit.com/r/COVID19/comments/fkizd0/we_were_able_to_ascertain_that_patients_who_had/ https://www.reddit.com/r/COVID19/comments/fkizd0/we_were_abl... I'm for Musk skepticism and he started off complete on the wrong footing on this thing but if you don't know what you are talking about don't make claims like this
- sjburt 7y ago
  Tesla refused to close the Fremont plant and told workers they were essential because they were providing transportation [1]. Musk has also said that the virus response has been overblown. [2] Musk is now saying that they well produce ventilators, although they have no design, no experience in medical devices, and a factory that makes cars, not ventilators... [1] https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a31748353/tesla-alameda-county-fremont-factory-compromise/ https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a31748353/tesla-alameda-co... [2] https://mobile.twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1236558461824978944 https://mobile.twitter.com/elonmusk/status/12365584618249789...
  - ascagnel_ 7y ago
    > Musk is now saying that they well produce ventilators, although they have no design, no experience in medical devices, and a factory that makes cars, not ventilators... He's also said they will only do so in the event of a shortage -- he has not said he'll be proactive and divert manufacturing resources to prevent any shortage. Worth noting that SpaceX, not Tesla, would be the business making the ventilators, as they already make similar equipment for space travel.
    - deleted 7y ago
      [deleted]
  - voxic11 7y ago
    This would be coming from the SpaceX manufacturing facilities, and doesn't SpaceX make life support systems for their Crew Dragon spacecraft?
    - toomuchtodo 7y ago
      They do. Elon mentions this in a thread between himself and the mayor of NYC on Twitter.
  - casion 7y ago
    I'm no fan of Musk, but the tweet you linked does not say the response has been overblown. He's not incorrect in the tweet you linked: both cpf and mortality are currently overstated due to lack of testing and asymptomatic cases. He has plenty of other silly tweets such as: https://mobile.twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1236029449042198528 https://mobile.twitter.com/elonmusk/status/12360294490421985...
- TeMPOraL 7y ago
  I used to be Elon's fanboy until very recently, but I can't really explain his recent coronavirus tweets, saying that the panic is dumb, children don't get it, or that it'll all be over by April. He's the last person on the planet I'd suspect of not getting the basic math behind the infection, or the basic facts of it.
  - cartoonfoxes 7y ago
    panic != concern. The point is abridged, but valid.
  - turtlebits 7y ago
    He should keep these thoughts to himself for sure, but he’s not wrong. Hoarding toilet paper and food staples is dumb. Seasonal flu affects more kids and has worse symptoms than Coronavirus (as of now)
    - tasty_freeze 7y ago
      Is your argument that the number of people who die from the flu annually is greater than the number of people in the US who have died from the coronavirus in the past two weeks, and thus the coronavirus news is overblown? Look at the growth charts on this page: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/ https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/ About 10x more cases every 8 days. Sure, the medical care for the current number of critically ill people is OK for now, but can it handle 10x that in 8 days? 100x that in 16 days? Have you seen videos of hospital wards in Italy? But I agree, hoarding TP is dumb.
      - turtlebits 7y ago
        I'm not saying the news is overblown, but of those contracting the virus, kids are of least concern (mild to no symptoms), especially if they don't have any other serious health conditions.
        WalterSear 7y ago
itake 7y ago
GameStop is running on fumes. If they close down their stores, they will completely lose their business. By staying open, they are at least collecting some revenue. Also, these employees should be thankful they even have a job right now. Many retail / service industry jobs have laid off their staff.
- redblacktree 7y ago
  Should they? They're out there being unnecessarily exposed to potential infection. If they were laid off, they'd be eligible for unemployment benefits.
  - iNate2000 7y ago
    Aren't unemployment benefits usually a fraction of actual wages? How much does GameStop pay?
    - xnyan 7y ago
      My understanding is in this situation, the right thing to do is to offer the employee the "opportunity" to be laid off. Several companies are doing this, it allows the worker to choose between reduced employment benefits from UE insurance at the benefit of less exposure to C19 or earning more money. Most people I know that are making an hourly wage have chosen to be laid off if they had the option.
- marcinzm 7y ago
  >Also, these employees should be thankful they even have a job right now. Many retail / service industry jobs have laid off their staff. Yes, they should be thankful that they can't collect unemployment, and that they might get themselves or their loved ones killed.
- weare138 7y ago
  Found the Gamestop manager
- city41 7y ago
bjornjajeja 7y ago
The parasites to our society is the meat packing industry which causes all of these issues to begin with. Get rid of them and not only do you élimante these viruses, you also eliminate the obesity epidemic saving folks the viruses end up killing, and take the world a step closer to fixing climate change.
- snarf21 7y ago
  This is completely off-topic. This virus came from bats and most was mostly likely transferred to pangolins that were illegally killed and traded.
  - deleted 7y ago
    [deleted]
  - undersuit 7y ago
    There's a tenuous link. Don't forget China culled something like 1/4 of the world's pig population to deal with swine fever in 2019. There exists regulations on meat production in most countries to prevent outbreaks in livestock passing to humans but these are not 100% effective.
- taywrobel 7y ago
  Yes, getting rid of the regulated meat industry and driving black market meat sales will surely lead to less food born illness. That makes complete sense.
LeoTinnitus 7y ago
Elon said on Twitter that he thought it was stupid. I personally agree. It's a flu and it's way overhyped by the media and the left-wing crazies who just echo the sentiment and shame those who don't follow as religiously as them. Also, this pandemic wouldn't be as big of an issue of the US government would acknowledge the need for better workers rights. Sick leave, better policies about vacation and days off, etc. But what does the Trump admin do? Here's 1000 bucks for your troubles.
ryandrake 7y ago
At least in the US, this pandemic has really exposed a lot of people's true colors. TP hoarding, hand sanitizer price gouging, ignoring social distancing measures, businesses desperately claiming they're essential so they can keep profiting at the expense of their employees' health. The ugly "I gotta get mine, screw everyone else" attitude is raw and on display for the world to see. Really disappointing to see in the media every day and a bad flex for America. EDIT: Talk about showing true colors: Someone leaked what's apparently an internal conference call between the company's execs and their store managers, where they're being instructed to keep everything open despite health concerns: https://twitter.com/CAMELOT331/status/1240743954246709265 https://twitter.com/CAMELOT331/status/1240743954246709265

These executives are showing their true selves in this crisis and it is absolutely disgusting. From Elon Musk to Jeff Bezos, these are not idols, they are parasites on our society.

uxcolumbo 7y ago

I probably missed a few news cycles, but what Musk and Bezos do you would class as disgusting during this crisis? I heard Tesla is going to produce ventilators?

jrimbault 7y ago
> I heard Tesla is going to produce ventilators? I think the quote was something more like (from memory so meh) : "Going to produce ventilators if there are shortages."
sb8244 7y ago
Actions like https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/17/tesla-keeps-fremont-factory-open-amid-covid-19-shelter-in-place-orders.html https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/17/tesla-keeps-fremont-factory-... are not a good view. It is worth noting that this plant will close on March 23 after the backlash, but probably only because of the backlash.
mellavora 7y ago
Elon Musk is apparently pushing bullshit cures, specifically chloroquine This is a malaria drug. Also, it can be fatal if not properly dosed. It is especially problematic that Musk is promoting this, given that part of his reputation is that he gets his science right; he is bold, takes risks, but he at least has science/facts/truth/math on his side. https://decrypt.co/22946/elon-musk-shares-coronavirus-cure-pushed-by-bitcoin-fans?amp=1 https://decrypt.co/22946/elon-musk-shares-coronavirus-cure-p...
- brink 7y ago
  It's not proven to be bullshit. The evidence we have is suggesting otherwise.
- nv-vn 7y ago
  They've been using chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine as a treatment in South Korea for over a month now. It's not a "bullshit cure" just because it's not FDA approved yet. There's a number of papers showing that these drugs can successfully treat COVID-19.
  - weare138 7y ago
    But it's not a cure either and it's a dangerous drug. Musk isn't a doctor and shouldn't be giving medical advice. Chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine has an extremely narrow threshold between an effective dose and a fatal dose. People are already trying to acquire it themselves and it's only a matter of time before someone accidentally kills themselves because of the misinformation surrounding it being pushed by non-professional pundits on Twitter.
- salmon30salmon 7y ago
  This isn't a bullshit cure. It has shown be effective in several studies, including those in France and China: https://www.covidtrial.io https://www.covidtrial.io Before you start spreading FUD, learn a thing or two about the topic.
- wh-uws 7y ago
  No one is saying its a cure all. but it is far from bullshit and is showing early promise in trials in China and Italy. i.e. https://www.reddit.com/r/COVID19/comments/fkizd0/we_were_able_to_ascertain_that_patients_who_had/ https://www.reddit.com/r/COVID19/comments/fkizd0/we_were_abl... I'm for Musk skepticism and he started off complete on the wrong footing on this thing but if you don't know what you are talking about don't make claims like this
sjburt 7y ago
Tesla refused to close the Fremont plant and told workers they were essential because they were providing transportation [1]. Musk has also said that the virus response has been overblown. [2] Musk is now saying that they well produce ventilators, although they have no design, no experience in medical devices, and a factory that makes cars, not ventilators... [1] https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a31748353/tesla-alameda-county-fremont-factory-compromise/ https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a31748353/tesla-alameda-co... [2] https://mobile.twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1236558461824978944 https://mobile.twitter.com/elonmusk/status/12365584618249789...
- ascagnel_ 7y ago
  > Musk is now saying that they well produce ventilators, although they have no design, no experience in medical devices, and a factory that makes cars, not ventilators... He's also said they will only do so in the event of a shortage -- he has not said he'll be proactive and divert manufacturing resources to prevent any shortage. Worth noting that SpaceX, not Tesla, would be the business making the ventilators, as they already make similar equipment for space travel.
  - deleted 7y ago
    [deleted]
- voxic11 7y ago
  This would be coming from the SpaceX manufacturing facilities, and doesn't SpaceX make life support systems for their Crew Dragon spacecraft?
  - toomuchtodo 7y ago
    They do. Elon mentions this in a thread between himself and the mayor of NYC on Twitter.
- casion 7y ago
  I'm no fan of Musk, but the tweet you linked does not say the response has been overblown. He's not incorrect in the tweet you linked: both cpf and mortality are currently overstated due to lack of testing and asymptomatic cases. He has plenty of other silly tweets such as: https://mobile.twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1236029449042198528 https://mobile.twitter.com/elonmusk/status/12360294490421985...
TeMPOraL 7y ago
I used to be Elon's fanboy until very recently, but I can't really explain his recent coronavirus tweets, saying that the panic is dumb, children don't get it, or that it'll all be over by April. He's the last person on the planet I'd suspect of not getting the basic math behind the infection, or the basic facts of it.
- cartoonfoxes 7y ago
  panic != concern. The point is abridged, but valid.
- turtlebits 7y ago
  He should keep these thoughts to himself for sure, but he’s not wrong. Hoarding toilet paper and food staples is dumb. Seasonal flu affects more kids and has worse symptoms than Coronavirus (as of now)
  - tasty_freeze 7y ago
    Is your argument that the number of people who die from the flu annually is greater than the number of people in the US who have died from the coronavirus in the past two weeks, and thus the coronavirus news is overblown? Look at the growth charts on this page: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/ https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/ About 10x more cases every 8 days. Sure, the medical care for the current number of critically ill people is OK for now, but can it handle 10x that in 8 days? 100x that in 16 days? Have you seen videos of hospital wards in Italy? But I agree, hoarding TP is dumb.
    - turtlebits 7y ago
      I'm not saying the news is overblown, but of those contracting the virus, kids are of least concern (mild to no symptoms), especially if they don't have any other serious health conditions.
      - WalterSear 7y ago

itake 7y ago

GameStop is running on fumes. If they close down their stores, they will completely lose their business. By staying open, they are at least collecting some revenue. Also, these employees should be thankful they even have a job right now. Many retail / service industry jobs have laid off their staff.

redblacktree 7y ago
Should they? They're out there being unnecessarily exposed to potential infection. If they were laid off, they'd be eligible for unemployment benefits.
- iNate2000 7y ago
  Aren't unemployment benefits usually a fraction of actual wages? How much does GameStop pay?
  - xnyan 7y ago
    My understanding is in this situation, the right thing to do is to offer the employee the "opportunity" to be laid off. Several companies are doing this, it allows the worker to choose between reduced employment benefits from UE insurance at the benefit of less exposure to C19 or earning more money. Most people I know that are making an hourly wage have chosen to be laid off if they had the option.
marcinzm 7y ago
>Also, these employees should be thankful they even have a job right now. Many retail / service industry jobs have laid off their staff. Yes, they should be thankful that they can't collect unemployment, and that they might get themselves or their loved ones killed.
weare138 7y ago
Found the Gamestop manager
city41 7y ago

bjornjajeja 7y ago

The parasites to our society is the meat packing industry which causes all of these issues to begin with. Get rid of them and not only do you élimante these viruses, you also eliminate the obesity epidemic saving folks the viruses end up killing, and take the world a step closer to fixing climate change.

snarf21 7y ago
This is completely off-topic. This virus came from bats and most was mostly likely transferred to pangolins that were illegally killed and traded.
- deleted 7y ago
  [deleted]
- undersuit 7y ago
  There's a tenuous link. Don't forget China culled something like 1/4 of the world's pig population to deal with swine fever in 2019. There exists regulations on meat production in most countries to prevent outbreaks in livestock passing to humans but these are not 100% effective.
taywrobel 7y ago
Yes, getting rid of the regulated meat industry and driving black market meat sales will surely lead to less food born illness. That makes complete sense.

LeoTinnitus 7y ago

Elon said on Twitter that he thought it was stupid. I personally agree. It's a flu and it's way overhyped by the media and the left-wing crazies who just echo the sentiment and shame those who don't follow as religiously as them. Also, this pandemic wouldn't be as big of an issue of the US government would acknowledge the need for better workers rights. Sick leave, better policies about vacation and days off, etc. But what does the Trump admin do? Here's 1000 bucks for your troubles.

ryandrake 7y ago

At least in the US, this pandemic has really exposed a lot of people's true colors. TP hoarding, hand sanitizer price gouging, ignoring social distancing measures, businesses desperately claiming they're essential so they can keep profiting at the expense of their employees' health. The ugly "I gotta get mine, screw everyone else" attitude is raw and on display for the world to see. Really disappointing to see in the media every day and a bad flex for America. EDIT: Talk about showing true colors: Someone leaked what's apparently an internal conference call between the company's execs and their store managers, where they're being instructed to keep everything open despite health concerns: https://twitter.com/CAMELOT331/status/1240743954246709265 https://twitter.com/CAMELOT331/status/1240743954246709265