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> Browsers can register push notifications Oh yes I didn't notice EVERY PAGE on the planet asking me for that. (After asking me for e-mail newsletter signup a

> Browsers can register push notifications Oh yes I didn't notice EVERY PAGE on the planet asking me for that. (After asking me for e-mail newsletter signup and cookie consent.)

jooize 7y ago
Problem with Push Notifications is not the feature, but its implementation. Browsers decided to throw a popup instead of displaying an indicator of availability when a page supports Push Notifications. Possibly for discoverability. I disable the feature because there is no way to avoid the interruption and still easily accept for say a Discourse forum that I do want notifications from. Blaming all web pages for their implementations is pointless. Give up the fight and redesign the browser. Don’t remove the feature because you believed web designers would hold back on informing the browser of its web page’s capability until the user interacts with some element every web designer would create, differently.
Cthulhu_ 7y ago
I think this is because there's no rules on the internet (besides GDPR which is implemented with varying properness). Compare with iOS where developers are given clear rules and / or instructions, e.g. how they have to ease the user into notifications instead of just yeet a permissions dialog in their face. I think a lot of websites have just poorly / sloppily implemented the push notifications. I mean if they were to end an article with a call-to-action to subscribe to notifications and/or the newsletter, it'd be a much more pleasant experience. As it stands, I've disabled push notifications entirely (https://support.google.com/chrome/answer/3220216?co=GENIE.Platform%3DDesktop&hl=en https://support.google.com/chrome/answer/3220216?co=GENIE.Pl...) and I've got a bookmarklet that will try and delete all sticky elements (including persistent headers, popups, greyed-out popup backgrounds, cookie banners, etc). One day I might turn that into an addon that automatically does it after a few seconds of loading a webpage, idk. One day browsers may implement pop-up blockers again as well but this time for the inline ones. I believe Google had an addon where you could report these things.
equalsione 7y ago
Firfox recently changed this so that you have it can only be invoked from within a button click or equivalent event[0] - I _think_ Chrome is following suit. 0 - https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/Push_API https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/Push_API
- Spivak 7y ago
  Yeah, and this works somewhat but sites just listen for the events on every element and trigger the popup then.

> Browsers can register push notifications Oh yes I didn't notice EVERY PAGE on the planet asking me for that. (After asking me for e-mail newsletter signup and cookie consent.)

jooize 7y ago

Problem with Push Notifications is not the feature, but its implementation. Browsers decided to throw a popup instead of displaying an indicator of availability when a page supports Push Notifications. Possibly for discoverability. I disable the feature because there is no way to avoid the interruption and still easily accept for say a Discourse forum that I do want notifications from. Blaming all web pages for their implementations is pointless. Give up the fight and redesign the browser. Don’t remove the feature because you believed web designers would hold back on informing the browser of its web page’s capability until the user interacts with some element every web designer would create, differently.

Cthulhu_ 7y ago

I think this is because there's no rules on the internet (besides GDPR which is implemented with varying properness). Compare with iOS where developers are given clear rules and / or instructions, e.g. how they have to ease the user into notifications instead of just yeet a permissions dialog in their face. I think a lot of websites have just poorly / sloppily implemented the push notifications. I mean if they were to end an article with a call-to-action to subscribe to notifications and/or the newsletter, it'd be a much more pleasant experience. As it stands, I've disabled push notifications entirely (https://support.google.com/chrome/answer/3220216?co=GENIE.Platform%3DDesktop&hl=en https://support.google.com/chrome/answer/3220216?co=GENIE.Pl...) and I've got a bookmarklet that will try and delete all sticky elements (including persistent headers, popups, greyed-out popup backgrounds, cookie banners, etc). One day I might turn that into an addon that automatically does it after a few seconds of loading a webpage, idk. One day browsers may implement pop-up blockers again as well but this time for the inline ones. I believe Google had an addon where you could report these things.

equalsione 7y ago

Firfox recently changed this so that you have it can only be invoked from within a button click or equivalent event[0] - I _think_ Chrome is following suit. 0 - https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/Push_API https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/Push_API

Spivak 7y ago
Yeah, and this works somewhat but sites just listen for the events on every element and trigger the popup then.