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??? China is down to zero cases. South America except for the two black sheep (Mexico and Brazil) is shutting down (Peru had curfew-in-place since the weekend;

??? China is down to zero cases. South America except for the two black sheep (Mexico and Brazil) is shutting down (Peru had curfew-in-place since the weekend; anyone even driving their car outside is arrested). Europe is also going there, plus Israel, several Arab countries, etc. Only big black sheeps right now are the US, parts of Europe, India, and Africa (which is only now getting their first wave).

scotty79 7y ago
> China is down to zero cases. Zero own cases, they still have imported cases. And that only means no cases that are symptomatic. And zero cases just means zero cases now not in the future. This thing spreads like a common cold. More infectious than a flu. You can't suppress common cold. Not forever. Humanity never eradicated a disease without a vaccine.
- MiroF 7y ago
  > Humanity never eradicated a disease without a vaccine. SARS within the last 2 decades? Look, I think eradication is a pipe dream at this point, but it'd be worth mildly checking your facts before posting. e: If I'm getting flagged, at least tell me why?
  - hourislate 7y ago
    I don't think SARS was eradicated? They were able to contain it and it died out naturally, disappeared. But that doesn't mean the same virus couldn't come back. I could be wrong but that's how I remember it.
  - scotty79 7y ago
    I'm not sure if SARS is considered eradicated. There were no human cases since 2004 but I don't think we dealt with it in original animal population. I think we don't get human cases because jumping to humans again is quite hard for SARS.
    - MiroF 7y ago
      So when people are talking about eradicating the coronavirus, they also mean in the animal population? Seems to me that the virus that can spread among humans is a different version than the one common among the animal population.
      - scotty79 7y ago
        > So when people are talking about eradicating the coronavirus, they also mean in the animal population? I think so: https://www.who.int/csr/don/2003_06_19/en/ https://www.who.int/csr/don/2003_06_19/en/ > Seems to me that the virus that can spread among humans is a different version than the one common among the animal population. Not necessarily. Ncov that spreads in humans came to be in bats and skipped effortlessly to other species including humans with no meaningful changes.
    - stca 7y ago
      Corona is a SARS that jumped over, the scientific name is SARS-CoV-2
- maigret 7y ago
  Effective medication would go a long way if it can make the illness less aggressive and less deadly.
gpm 7y ago
We can probably wipe it out in America by doing this, and Europe, and maybe China already has (though I have my doubts that there aren't still cases that they haven't detected). What about places with wars going on... Syria? Yemen? Afghanistan? What about places with no functional government (which I will decline to list to avoid pointless arguments)? It doesn't need to be a big black sheep to re-introduce this... it only takes one case.
- scotty79 7y ago
  Also it can infect other mammals quite easily. It originated in bats. There might be other animal reservoirs as well.
petilon 7y ago
India is handling this better than the US. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/17/world/asia/india-coronavirus.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/17/world/asia/india-coronavi... Excerpts: The authorities used GPS technology, CCTV footage and mobile phone records to trace the movements of one Indian family believed to be among the first infected here. They returned from Italy in late February, and within days, medical teams fanned out to all the places they had visited including banks, restaurants and churches and quickly quarantined just about everyone they had come in contact with — nearly 1,000 people. India was also one of the first nations to essentially shut its borders, canceling visas and denying entry to all but a select few foreigners. Some states, such as Kerala, are beginning to beef up internal borders, taking the temperature of passengers in cars and screening people on trains.
- robocat 7y ago
  I predict India will be hit very very hard. Do you think their poor can eat if they self-isolate? If you are hungry then you keep working, you have few choices to avoid social contact, and you have few resources to help you if you are sick. Do you think India has the capacity to test enough people to effect efficient blocks against transmission? Do you trust their bureaucracy to mostly act decisively and effectively for the majority? Do they have the social mores to cooperate with rules to prevent transmission? (I’m not judging, I have some very conscientious Indian acquaintances, I’m just unsure about the population on average). At least they will have some medicine - they produce a lot and they stopped exporting many drugs on the 4th March.

scotty79 7y ago

> China is down to zero cases. Zero own cases, they still have imported cases. And that only means no cases that are symptomatic. And zero cases just means zero cases now not in the future. This thing spreads like a common cold. More infectious than a flu. You can't suppress common cold. Not forever. Humanity never eradicated a disease without a vaccine.

MiroF 7y ago
> Humanity never eradicated a disease without a vaccine. SARS within the last 2 decades? Look, I think eradication is a pipe dream at this point, but it'd be worth mildly checking your facts before posting. e: If I'm getting flagged, at least tell me why?
- hourislate 7y ago
  I don't think SARS was eradicated? They were able to contain it and it died out naturally, disappeared. But that doesn't mean the same virus couldn't come back. I could be wrong but that's how I remember it.
- scotty79 7y ago
  I'm not sure if SARS is considered eradicated. There were no human cases since 2004 but I don't think we dealt with it in original animal population. I think we don't get human cases because jumping to humans again is quite hard for SARS.
  - MiroF 7y ago
    So when people are talking about eradicating the coronavirus, they also mean in the animal population? Seems to me that the virus that can spread among humans is a different version than the one common among the animal population.
    - scotty79 7y ago
      > So when people are talking about eradicating the coronavirus, they also mean in the animal population? I think so: https://www.who.int/csr/don/2003_06_19/en/ https://www.who.int/csr/don/2003_06_19/en/ > Seems to me that the virus that can spread among humans is a different version than the one common among the animal population. Not necessarily. Ncov that spreads in humans came to be in bats and skipped effortlessly to other species including humans with no meaningful changes.
  - stca 7y ago
    Corona is a SARS that jumped over, the scientific name is SARS-CoV-2
maigret 7y ago
Effective medication would go a long way if it can make the illness less aggressive and less deadly.

gpm 7y ago

We can probably wipe it out in America by doing this, and Europe, and maybe China already has (though I have my doubts that there aren't still cases that they haven't detected). What about places with wars going on... Syria? Yemen? Afghanistan? What about places with no functional government (which I will decline to list to avoid pointless arguments)? It doesn't need to be a big black sheep to re-introduce this... it only takes one case.

scotty79 7y ago
Also it can infect other mammals quite easily. It originated in bats. There might be other animal reservoirs as well.

petilon 7y ago

India is handling this better than the US. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/17/world/asia/india-coronavirus.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/17/world/asia/india-coronavi... Excerpts: The authorities used GPS technology, CCTV footage and mobile phone records to trace the movements of one Indian family believed to be among the first infected here. They returned from Italy in late February, and within days, medical teams fanned out to all the places they had visited including banks, restaurants and churches and quickly quarantined just about everyone they had come in contact with — nearly 1,000 people. India was also one of the first nations to essentially shut its borders, canceling visas and denying entry to all but a select few foreigners. Some states, such as Kerala, are beginning to beef up internal borders, taking the temperature of passengers in cars and screening people on trains.

robocat 7y ago
I predict India will be hit very very hard. Do you think their poor can eat if they self-isolate? If you are hungry then you keep working, you have few choices to avoid social contact, and you have few resources to help you if you are sick. Do you think India has the capacity to test enough people to effect efficient blocks against transmission? Do you trust their bureaucracy to mostly act decisively and effectively for the majority? Do they have the social mores to cooperate with rules to prevent transmission? (I’m not judging, I have some very conscientious Indian acquaintances, I’m just unsure about the population on average). At least they will have some medicine - they produce a lot and they stopped exporting many drugs on the 4th March.