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I am confused. Here in the midwest all the states that I know of have cancelled school, shut down bars, and made restaurants convert to delivery, curb side pick

I am confused. Here in the midwest all the states that I know of have cancelled school, shut down bars, and made restaurants convert to delivery, curb side pickup, or drive through. Further, we are supposed to avoid groups of more than ten people. Is that not the case on the coasts?

everybodyknows 7y ago
San Diego County did most of that, and yet somehow casinos were excepted: https://timesofsandiego.com/business/2020/03/18/tribal-leaders-jointly-announce-5-local-casinos-will-close-at-noon-friday/ https://timesofsandiego.com/business/2020/03/18/tribal-leade... National sovereignty, perhaps.
dmitrygr 7y ago
The difference is you are merely supposed to do it. Here you can be arrested for not doing it. This is a good move. A lot of people are not taking it as seriously as they should
- WalterBright 7y ago
  > Here you can be arrested for not doing it. What do they do with the arrested people? Stack them up in overcrowded jails?
  - snerbles 7y ago
    Due process went out the window in this state a long time ago.
  - ineedasername 7y ago
    arrested or fined. I imagine the fines would be more prudent than violating social distancing by tossing people in jail together.
  - URSpider94 7y ago
    They aren’t actually going to arrest anyone, but the police are stopping people on the streets and questioning them (not guessing; I know people who have been pulled over). At most, they will hand out citations that will result in a fine. But with a huge number of immigrants in the Bay Area on temporary work visas, there’s a chilling effect that a misdemeanor citation could result in being kicked out of the country ...
- girvo 7y ago
  Arrested? Where did you read that?
  - dmitrygr 7y ago
    violating this order is a misdemeanor
  - snerbles 7y ago
    I Am Not A Lawyer: The order is pursuant to California Government Code § 8665 (https://codes.findlaw.com/ca/government-code/gov-sect-8665.html https://codes.findlaw.com/ca/government-code/gov-sect-8665.h...): Any person who violates any of the provisions of this chapter or who refuses or willfully neglects to obey any lawful order or regulation promulgated or issued as provided in this chapter, shall be guilty of a misdemeanor and, upon conviction thereof, shall be punishable by a fine of not to exceed one thousand dollars ($1,000) or by imprisonment for not to exceed six months or by both such fine and imprisonment.
- big_chungus 7y ago
  This order won't get individuals arrested, either. It's more targeted at businesses: no place to go, why bother going out.
H8crilA 7y ago
It's not just about America, I do mean the other countries too. For example, Brazil's president is still running rallies, he keeps downplaying the virus like Trump was doing a few weeks ago. And in America I can imagine the situation varies from state to state, from county to county.
jessaustin 7y ago
The Midwest isn't uniformly avoiding contact. In Illinois they had a freaking election. Lots of elderly poll workers didn't show up (and were entirely justified in that), so they had to close a bunch of polling places and the remaining polling places were crowded and voters had to wait for hours. This fiasco definitely will have killed some people over the next month...
rootusrootus 7y ago
Seems to be the case across much of the US. Certainly, in Oregon, it is the case. We still have not issued a shelter-in-place order, but it is getting discussed every day.

everybodyknows 7y ago

San Diego County did most of that, and yet somehow casinos were excepted: https://timesofsandiego.com/business/2020/03/18/tribal-leaders-jointly-announce-5-local-casinos-will-close-at-noon-friday/ https://timesofsandiego.com/business/2020/03/18/tribal-leade... National sovereignty, perhaps.

dmitrygr 7y ago

The difference is you are merely supposed to do it. Here you can be arrested for not doing it. This is a good move. A lot of people are not taking it as seriously as they should

WalterBright 7y ago
> Here you can be arrested for not doing it. What do they do with the arrested people? Stack them up in overcrowded jails?
- snerbles 7y ago
  Due process went out the window in this state a long time ago.
- ineedasername 7y ago
  arrested or fined. I imagine the fines would be more prudent than violating social distancing by tossing people in jail together.
- URSpider94 7y ago
  They aren’t actually going to arrest anyone, but the police are stopping people on the streets and questioning them (not guessing; I know people who have been pulled over). At most, they will hand out citations that will result in a fine. But with a huge number of immigrants in the Bay Area on temporary work visas, there’s a chilling effect that a misdemeanor citation could result in being kicked out of the country ...
girvo 7y ago
Arrested? Where did you read that?
- dmitrygr 7y ago
  violating this order is a misdemeanor
- snerbles 7y ago
  I Am Not A Lawyer: The order is pursuant to California Government Code § 8665 (https://codes.findlaw.com/ca/government-code/gov-sect-8665.html https://codes.findlaw.com/ca/government-code/gov-sect-8665.h...): Any person who violates any of the provisions of this chapter or who refuses or willfully neglects to obey any lawful order or regulation promulgated or issued as provided in this chapter, shall be guilty of a misdemeanor and, upon conviction thereof, shall be punishable by a fine of not to exceed one thousand dollars ($1,000) or by imprisonment for not to exceed six months or by both such fine and imprisonment.
big_chungus 7y ago
This order won't get individuals arrested, either. It's more targeted at businesses: no place to go, why bother going out.

H8crilA 7y ago

It's not just about America, I do mean the other countries too. For example, Brazil's president is still running rallies, he keeps downplaying the virus like Trump was doing a few weeks ago. And in America I can imagine the situation varies from state to state, from county to county.

jessaustin 7y ago

The Midwest isn't uniformly avoiding contact. In Illinois they had a freaking election. Lots of elderly poll workers didn't show up (and were entirely justified in that), so they had to close a bunch of polling places and the remaining polling places were crowded and voters had to wait for hours. This fiasco definitely will have killed some people over the next month...

rootusrootus 7y ago

Seems to be the case across much of the US. Certainly, in Oregon, it is the case. We still have not issued a shelter-in-place order, but it is getting discussed every day.