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These are not anticipated dangers. These are well-documented dangers. Keeping depressed people away from human contact is damned dangerous. Locking people up i

These are not anticipated dangers. These are well-documented dangers. Keeping depressed people away from human contact is damned dangerous. Locking people up in houses with abusers for weeks on end is damned dangerous. That's not to say that quarantining is necessarily the wrong move. But these are very legitimate concerns, and need to be kept in mind in decision-making.

scotty79 7y ago
Vast majority of people are not depressed, are not abused and do not live with their abusers. If your home is unsafe for you that's an individual case by case problem that should be resolved locally and individually, not something that should be taken into account while shaping global policy.
- MikeAmelung 7y ago
  Vast majority of people weren't at risk from this disease until we collapsed the economy, sooo...
  - scotty79 7y ago
    All people were at risk from this disease since it first popped up in bats. Since then, for all humans, it was and it is just a question of when not if. And few smart humans knew this even before this virus came into existence. And economy is completely secondary. Covid being leading cause of death in Italy now has nothing to do with any covid induced economy collapse.
- wyattpeak 7y ago
  I don't understand your logic. If you believe that policy* shouldn't be influenced by considerations like depression and abuse, why do we have policy about them at all? The majority of people aren't depressed, yet we have all sorts of public facilities to help them. Do you think we shouldn't? * You say global policy, but none of this is global policy - it's all national policy.
  - scotty79 7y ago
    Policy that attempts to help with depression pertains to depressed not everybody. Policies that affect everybody don't take into account special needs of various groups because there are so many groups with conflicting needs. You make one general policy and if that poses some challenge for some special needs group you make another policy for them. "Stay at home" for everybody. That causes problems for abused? Then make additional policy that ramps up services and education that helps people get away from their abusers. Who knows maybe even occasional contact with police that enforces quarantine will bring their abuse to attention? Maybe depressed will need special allowances for leaving the house? Maybe not. What about all the introverts and socially anxious people that will be relieved that their employer is now forced to offer them remote job? But we can't have global decision that vastly improves something for everybody blocked just because in its unamended form it might worsen conditions for some people.

scotty79 7y ago

Vast majority of people are not depressed, are not abused and do not live with their abusers. If your home is unsafe for you that's an individual case by case problem that should be resolved locally and individually, not something that should be taken into account while shaping global policy.

MikeAmelung 7y ago
Vast majority of people weren't at risk from this disease until we collapsed the economy, sooo...
- scotty79 7y ago
  All people were at risk from this disease since it first popped up in bats. Since then, for all humans, it was and it is just a question of when not if. And few smart humans knew this even before this virus came into existence. And economy is completely secondary. Covid being leading cause of death in Italy now has nothing to do with any covid induced economy collapse.
wyattpeak 7y ago
I don't understand your logic. If you believe that policy* shouldn't be influenced by considerations like depression and abuse, why do we have policy about them at all? The majority of people aren't depressed, yet we have all sorts of public facilities to help them. Do you think we shouldn't? * You say global policy, but none of this is global policy - it's all national policy.
- scotty79 7y ago
  Policy that attempts to help with depression pertains to depressed not everybody. Policies that affect everybody don't take into account special needs of various groups because there are so many groups with conflicting needs. You make one general policy and if that poses some challenge for some special needs group you make another policy for them. "Stay at home" for everybody. That causes problems for abused? Then make additional policy that ramps up services and education that helps people get away from their abusers. Who knows maybe even occasional contact with police that enforces quarantine will bring their abuse to attention? Maybe depressed will need special allowances for leaving the house? Maybe not. What about all the introverts and socially anxious people that will be relieved that their employer is now forced to offer them remote job? But we can't have global decision that vastly improves something for everybody blocked just because in its unamended form it might worsen conditions for some people.