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Share API isn't needed for sharing content, copy and paste worked better than share api and it was around decades ago. About what percent of push notification

Share API isn't needed for sharing content, copy and paste worked better than share api and it was around decades ago. About what percent of push notification requests do you accept? I think my percentage is 0, and the number of requests is high tens if not hundreds. I don't trust browser notifications at all. Here's some stats: https://www.businessofapps.com/marketplace/push-notifications/research/push-notifications-statistics/ https://www.businessofapps.com/marketplace/push-notification... Opt-in rates are around 65%, open rate is between 1 and 10%, I suspect some percentage of those opt-in rates were unintentional or coerced and some percentage of those opens were click bate or accident. so <2.5% of notifications were desired. I think it's safe to assume a significant portion of the opt-ins and notifications were desired-not. Based on this information, I would consider notifications undesirable.

cj 7y ago
You consider them undesirable, but they are a critical feature for many applications. Specifically, chat. More specifically... support agents providing live chat support. (And for that matter, end users interacting via chat appreciate push notifications on reply) Without browser push notifications, there really isn’t a good alternative. The fact that opt in rates are close to 50% is probably a good thing! It means that browsers aren’t using dark patterns to trick people in to opting into things they don’t want. I would 100% agree with you if opting out were difficult. But at least Chrome’s implementation makes it very easy to decide which sites I want push notifications from, I really can’t think of any downside given the easy opt out.
- asjw 7y ago
  Chat is probably one of the only functionalities that are still better served by an ad-hoc app If you need notifications, just use a native app (or even a web one wrapped in a native app) Anyway, most of these "features" are used because they are already there, remove them from the base install of the browser, distribute them as a plugin and make the devs consider that the feature could not be present and they will stop nagging the users begging for their attention Any website I visit from mobile wants the permission to notify me, 99% of them don't if I visit from desktop Why is that? I guess we all know the answer
  - cj 7y ago
    > Any website I visit from mobile wants the permission to notify me Strange, I don’t think I’ve ever seen a permission prompt on mobile. Chrome, iOS
  - zzo38computer 7y ago
    > Chat is probably one of the only functionalities that are still better served by an ad-hoc app Yes, actually, IRC works better for chat, I think. Actually, it is probably true of some other stuff too, such as many kind of multiplayer games; you could use a telnet (or SSH) session.
    - chinesempire 7y ago
      I guess you're trying to be sarcastic, but it's not working
      - zzo38computer 7y ago
        Actually I am not trying to be sarcastic.
        chinesempire 7y ago
        Then I'm sorry and I mostly agree.
  - stickfigure 7y ago
    Let's say you're using some random website and want to talk to their sales or support team. How well do you think "download this app to chat with us" is going to go over?
    - chinesempire 7y ago
      That's what email, phone or support tickets are for... My experience with this kind of services has always been lame and I strongly believe only bad businesses use them For example the two larger e-commerce sites in the world,Amazon and Alibaba don't use them If they were a major improvement, they would.
- cosmotic 7y ago
  I've never used a chat app that asked to send notifications. If they did ask, I would reject the request. I (correctly) assume the permission would be used to bombard me with irrelevant notification spam.
franga2000 7y ago
> Share API isn't needed for sharing content, copy and paste worked better than share api and it was around decades ago. Most big websites have different URLs for the same content. When you're sharing a link, you want the canonical URL, which is neutral and universal, not the URL you're currently on, which might have a session ID, user preferences, scroll anchors, etc appended to it. The share button in your browser uses the canonical URL of the site (if provided), which looks nicer and works better.
- cosmotic 7y ago
  Canonical URLs are part of the HTTP spec. URLs with session ids or user preferences are faulty and should be removed. Scroll anchors are useful to share. Share button certainly doesn't work better; I find it so undependable that I intentionally avoid it.
stickfigure 7y ago
You only need to rely on one application to make push notifications worthwhile. I get browser push notifications from gmail and facebook. I block everything else, but I'd be pissed if I didn't get those notifications.

cj 7y ago

You consider them undesirable, but they are a critical feature for many applications. Specifically, chat. More specifically... support agents providing live chat support. (And for that matter, end users interacting via chat appreciate push notifications on reply) Without browser push notifications, there really isn’t a good alternative. The fact that opt in rates are close to 50% is probably a good thing! It means that browsers aren’t using dark patterns to trick people in to opting into things they don’t want. I would 100% agree with you if opting out were difficult. But at least Chrome’s implementation makes it very easy to decide which sites I want push notifications from, I really can’t think of any downside given the easy opt out.

asjw 7y ago
Chat is probably one of the only functionalities that are still better served by an ad-hoc app If you need notifications, just use a native app (or even a web one wrapped in a native app) Anyway, most of these "features" are used because they are already there, remove them from the base install of the browser, distribute them as a plugin and make the devs consider that the feature could not be present and they will stop nagging the users begging for their attention Any website I visit from mobile wants the permission to notify me, 99% of them don't if I visit from desktop Why is that? I guess we all know the answer
- cj 7y ago
  > Any website I visit from mobile wants the permission to notify me Strange, I don’t think I’ve ever seen a permission prompt on mobile. Chrome, iOS
- zzo38computer 7y ago
  > Chat is probably one of the only functionalities that are still better served by an ad-hoc app Yes, actually, IRC works better for chat, I think. Actually, it is probably true of some other stuff too, such as many kind of multiplayer games; you could use a telnet (or SSH) session.
  - chinesempire 7y ago
    I guess you're trying to be sarcastic, but it's not working
    - zzo38computer 7y ago
      Actually I am not trying to be sarcastic.
      - chinesempire 7y ago
        Then I'm sorry and I mostly agree.
- stickfigure 7y ago
  Let's say you're using some random website and want to talk to their sales or support team. How well do you think "download this app to chat with us" is going to go over?
  - chinesempire 7y ago
    That's what email, phone or support tickets are for... My experience with this kind of services has always been lame and I strongly believe only bad businesses use them For example the two larger e-commerce sites in the world,Amazon and Alibaba don't use them If they were a major improvement, they would.
cosmotic 7y ago
I've never used a chat app that asked to send notifications. If they did ask, I would reject the request. I (correctly) assume the permission would be used to bombard me with irrelevant notification spam.

franga2000 7y ago

> Share API isn't needed for sharing content, copy and paste worked better than share api and it was around decades ago. Most big websites have different URLs for the same content. When you're sharing a link, you want the canonical URL, which is neutral and universal, not the URL you're currently on, which might have a session ID, user preferences, scroll anchors, etc appended to it. The share button in your browser uses the canonical URL of the site (if provided), which looks nicer and works better.

cosmotic 7y ago
Canonical URLs are part of the HTTP spec. URLs with session ids or user preferences are faulty and should be removed. Scroll anchors are useful to share. Share button certainly doesn't work better; I find it so undependable that I intentionally avoid it.

stickfigure 7y ago

You only need to rely on one application to make push notifications worthwhile. I get browser push notifications from gmail and facebook. I block everything else, but I'd be pissed if I didn't get those notifications.