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Does anyone know of public ISP dashboards that show used/total capacity on their network in terms of customer usage? I'm sure its trivial for an internal emplo

by myu701 7y ago

Does anyone know of public ISP dashboards that show used/total capacity on their network in terms of customer usage? I'm sure its trivial for an internal employee to pull up solarwinds or whatever, but I'd be curious to see if these ISPs are merely running above normal, running hot, barely hanging on with intermittent "isp brownouts" etc. This is probably a pipe dream but not gonna get any questions answered if I don't ask.

qayxc 7y ago
The largest backbone in the world publishes statistics: https://www.de-cix.net/en/locations/germany/frankfurt/statistics https://www.de-cix.net/en/locations/germany/frankfurt/statis...
- dylz 7y ago
  For clarification, this is not a "backbone" - it is an exchange fabric.
  - qayxc 7y ago
    Thanks for clearing that up!
  - aeyes 7y ago
    And for further clarification, you won't see much Netflix traffic there because the big ISPs have Netflix caches within their infrastructure.
    - dylz 7y ago
      Yeah, you will not see the additional hundreds of Gbps of "internal" Netflix traffic, but you may very well see smaller increases as small ISPs that aren't approved for "full rack Netflix appliances" pick up Netflix traffic over the routeservers.
    - hobofan 7y ago
      The big German ISPs don't have Netflix caches within their infrastructure, which might be part of the problem here. Last mile infrastructure might be even worse though.
      - dylz 7y ago
        Germany is rather odd compared to the other countries with its adoption of broadband tech - for example you see a decent bit of FTTH/FTTx in NL, NO/DK/SE (muni owned, early adopters), etc. Then you go to Germany and it's mass of DSL (and some areas cable). I wonder what happened or why?
        hobofan 7y ago
        Not an expert on the topic, but IIRC this is the rough outline: - The main ISP of Germany is Deutsche Telekom, a formerly state-owned company that was privatized ~25 years ago, which Germany still holds stock in - In the past Telekom was awarded big contracts to expand broadband access across the country - Telekom is/was really slow at fulfilling those contracts, and at the same time behaves in an anti-competitive manner towards any independent ISPs that try to fill the void - The government doesn't punish any of that behaviour like they rarely do with a big German company, even more so with privatized ones that they have a stake in To also be fair towards Telekom a bit, Germany is a very decentralized country, which is a boon in a lot of situations, but also challenging for any infrastructure projects. Part of the contracts was that they also have to expand broadband access in all rural parts of Germany.
        fragmede 7y ago
        I'm not sure that's (entirely) it. I don't know if this is why Netflix doesn't do it, but Germany doesn't have the same First Amendment laws as the US. In particular, there are some writings that are illegal under German law. Thus, locating a box in Germany that could potentially hold material that is illegal under German law is ill advised. That the box is operating simply as a local cache doesn't seem to change the lawyer's perspective. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_in_Germany#Re-unified_Germany_(1990%E2%80%93present) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_in_Germany#Re-unifi...
- bluegreyred 7y ago
  The CTO of de-cix recently gave an interview regarding the current situation. They monitored the situation in Italy, put some upgrades in place earlier than originally planned and are not worried about a 40% increase within the next four weeks. https://www.golem.de/news/internet-traffic-de-cix-sieht-keinen-grund-zur-sorge-2003-147350.html https://www.golem.de/news/internet-traffic-de-cix-sieht-kein...
- tomaszs 7y ago
  Thanks. I dont see there any anomaly. Just one higher spike and than normal transfer. So... There is no increase?
wmf 7y ago
ISPs don't publish that information but some IXPs do. They are not running at saturation.
scrdhrt 7y ago
Netnod, one of the largest IX in the nordics, has public stats here: https://www.netnod.se/ix-stats/All.html https://www.netnod.se/ix-stats/All.html Don't know about any ISPs that do this.
whalesalad 7y ago
I would love to see this too. Anecdotally I have certainly been noticing a difference in the general behavior of the internet recently that I can only attribute to the sudden stress on the network.
cornedor 7y ago
Here are the AMS-IX stats: https://www.ams-ix.net/ams/documentation/total-stats https://www.ams-ix.net/ams/documentation/total-stats
tyfon 7y ago
Here is for intra isp connections in Norway [1], but it does not really show "netflix" usage as most isps deliver the videos from a local server. [1] https://www.nix.no/statistics/ https://www.nix.no/statistics/

by myu701 7y ago

qayxc 7y ago

The largest backbone in the world publishes statistics: https://www.de-cix.net/en/locations/germany/frankfurt/statistics https://www.de-cix.net/en/locations/germany/frankfurt/statis...

dylz 7y ago
For clarification, this is not a "backbone" - it is an exchange fabric.
- qayxc 7y ago
  Thanks for clearing that up!
- aeyes 7y ago
  And for further clarification, you won't see much Netflix traffic there because the big ISPs have Netflix caches within their infrastructure.
  - dylz 7y ago
    Yeah, you will not see the additional hundreds of Gbps of "internal" Netflix traffic, but you may very well see smaller increases as small ISPs that aren't approved for "full rack Netflix appliances" pick up Netflix traffic over the routeservers.
  - hobofan 7y ago
    The big German ISPs don't have Netflix caches within their infrastructure, which might be part of the problem here. Last mile infrastructure might be even worse though.
    - dylz 7y ago
      Germany is rather odd compared to the other countries with its adoption of broadband tech - for example you see a decent bit of FTTH/FTTx in NL, NO/DK/SE (muni owned, early adopters), etc. Then you go to Germany and it's mass of DSL (and some areas cable). I wonder what happened or why?
      - hobofan 7y ago
        Not an expert on the topic, but IIRC this is the rough outline: - The main ISP of Germany is Deutsche Telekom, a formerly state-owned company that was privatized ~25 years ago, which Germany still holds stock in - In the past Telekom was awarded big contracts to expand broadband access across the country - Telekom is/was really slow at fulfilling those contracts, and at the same time behaves in an anti-competitive manner towards any independent ISPs that try to fill the void - The government doesn't punish any of that behaviour like they rarely do with a big German company, even more so with privatized ones that they have a stake in To also be fair towards Telekom a bit, Germany is a very decentralized country, which is a boon in a lot of situations, but also challenging for any infrastructure projects. Part of the contracts was that they also have to expand broadband access in all rural parts of Germany.
        fragmede 7y ago
        I'm not sure that's (entirely) it. I don't know if this is why Netflix doesn't do it, but Germany doesn't have the same First Amendment laws as the US. In particular, there are some writings that are illegal under German law. Thus, locating a box in Germany that could potentially hold material that is illegal under German law is ill advised. That the box is operating simply as a local cache doesn't seem to change the lawyer's perspective. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_in_Germany#Re-unified_Germany_(1990%E2%80%93present) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_in_Germany#Re-unifi...
bluegreyred 7y ago
The CTO of de-cix recently gave an interview regarding the current situation. They monitored the situation in Italy, put some upgrades in place earlier than originally planned and are not worried about a 40% increase within the next four weeks. https://www.golem.de/news/internet-traffic-de-cix-sieht-keinen-grund-zur-sorge-2003-147350.html https://www.golem.de/news/internet-traffic-de-cix-sieht-kein...
tomaszs 7y ago
Thanks. I dont see there any anomaly. Just one higher spike and than normal transfer. So... There is no increase?

wmf 7y ago

ISPs don't publish that information but some IXPs do. They are not running at saturation.

scrdhrt 7y ago

Netnod, one of the largest IX in the nordics, has public stats here: https://www.netnod.se/ix-stats/All.html https://www.netnod.se/ix-stats/All.html Don't know about any ISPs that do this.

whalesalad 7y ago

I would love to see this too. Anecdotally I have certainly been noticing a difference in the general behavior of the internet recently that I can only attribute to the sudden stress on the network.

cornedor 7y ago

Here are the AMS-IX stats: https://www.ams-ix.net/ams/documentation/total-stats https://www.ams-ix.net/ams/documentation/total-stats

tyfon 7y ago

Here is for intra isp connections in Norway [1], but it does not really show "netflix" usage as most isps deliver the videos from a local server. [1] https://www.nix.no/statistics/ https://www.nix.no/statistics/