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To pick an extreme example, do you seriously believe the US has less legitimacy in this respect than North Korea?

malberto 7y ago
YES! NK never bombed my country. Please grow up and realize that you can not claim anything as long as your country act as a terrorist
- vinay427 7y ago
  Thankfully, that isn't how the world actually works. People are able to understand that any country, including the US, is composed of people who work on different things with different views, and that there are things US entities still say and do that can be valuable and trusted.
  - yariik 7y ago
    > there are things US entities still say and do that can be valuable and trusted Yeah, sure. For some reason, the US enjoys some special privileges when it comes to the international politics. How long has the Russiahoax been going, five years? For five years, every single media outlet in the US attacks attacks my country and blames it of all sorts of criminal activity, while not a single piece or evidence has been presented. And for some reason, most of the Americans that I've talked to don't see any problem with that and won't call their government russophobic, so much for your "different views." Why should anybody believe anything said by an American anymore?
    - vinay427 7y ago
      The easy answer: "most of the Americans that I've talked to" vs. "anything said by an American" I'll expand: In the country I live in, a country often touted as very highly developed, there are still a lot of people that have weirdly (uninformed) nationalistic views about certain topics probably due to some oddities of history. This is the case in every single country I've traveled to or lived in. No one is advocating for designing global policy on Russia based on the views of the average American. That has little to do with trusting Americans (or Britons, or any other nationality of a place with a violent history) on other specific issues.
jaybeeayyy 7y ago
Yes, absolutely. The US is responsible for far more bloodshed than North Korea. How many coups were backed by the US government, how many nukes we have, our never ending war machine...list goes on and on. I don't think North Korea is anything more than a totalitarian dictatorship but I 100% would never believe what western media backed by US imperialist propaganda is telling me about them.
- Joker_vD 7y ago
  By the way, the South Korea's National Security Law still has the clause that "any person who praises, incites or propagates the activities of an antigovernment organization (that includes DPRK by design)... shall be punished by imprisonment for not more than seven years". And this clause is actually used (see Amnesty International's report https://www.amnesty.org/en/documents/asa25/006/2012/en/ https://www.amnesty.org/en/documents/asa25/006/2012/en/ ), so it's literally illegal for a South Korean newspaper to print anything positive about DPRK.
filleduchaos 7y ago
North Korea is a tiny dictatorship that has pretty much zero impact on my day-to-day or even month-to-month life. On the other hand, the fingers of the US are everywhere I turn.

YES! NK never bombed my country. Please grow up and realize that you can not claim anything as long as your country act as a terrorist

vinay427 7y ago
Thankfully, that isn't how the world actually works. People are able to understand that any country, including the US, is composed of people who work on different things with different views, and that there are things US entities still say and do that can be valuable and trusted.
- yariik 7y ago
  > there are things US entities still say and do that can be valuable and trusted Yeah, sure. For some reason, the US enjoys some special privileges when it comes to the international politics. How long has the Russiahoax been going, five years? For five years, every single media outlet in the US attacks attacks my country and blames it of all sorts of criminal activity, while not a single piece or evidence has been presented. And for some reason, most of the Americans that I've talked to don't see any problem with that and won't call their government russophobic, so much for your "different views." Why should anybody believe anything said by an American anymore?
  - vinay427 7y ago
    The easy answer: "most of the Americans that I've talked to" vs. "anything said by an American" I'll expand: In the country I live in, a country often touted as very highly developed, there are still a lot of people that have weirdly (uninformed) nationalistic views about certain topics probably due to some oddities of history. This is the case in every single country I've traveled to or lived in. No one is advocating for designing global policy on Russia based on the views of the average American. That has little to do with trusting Americans (or Britons, or any other nationality of a place with a violent history) on other specific issues.

jaybeeayyy 7y ago

Yes, absolutely. The US is responsible for far more bloodshed than North Korea. How many coups were backed by the US government, how many nukes we have, our never ending war machine...list goes on and on. I don't think North Korea is anything more than a totalitarian dictatorship but I 100% would never believe what western media backed by US imperialist propaganda is telling me about them.

Joker_vD 7y ago
By the way, the South Korea's National Security Law still has the clause that "any person who praises, incites or propagates the activities of an antigovernment organization (that includes DPRK by design)... shall be punished by imprisonment for not more than seven years". And this clause is actually used (see Amnesty International's report https://www.amnesty.org/en/documents/asa25/006/2012/en/ https://www.amnesty.org/en/documents/asa25/006/2012/en/ ), so it's literally illegal for a South Korean newspaper to print anything positive about DPRK.

filleduchaos 7y ago

North Korea is a tiny dictatorship that has pretty much zero impact on my day-to-day or even month-to-month life. On the other hand, the fingers of the US are everywhere I turn.