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A lot of countries did a poor job of the initial handling of the outbreak, which is why we're in this mess right now. If we're going to demand reparations from

A lot of countries did a poor job of the initial handling of the outbreak, which is why we're in this mess right now. If we're going to demand reparations from countries for a cover-up and exacerbating the situation, it shouldn't be limited to just China.

twomoretime 7y ago
If China had been more forthcoming with the nature of the virus, instead of ramping up both internal and external censorship, perhaps the world would have been better prepared. Instead their KGB equivalent went into overdrive. Do you know that in addition to admonishing and disappearing doctors and scientists who dared to blow the whistle, at least one multimillionaire tycoon has been disappeared for criticizing the response? The CCP puts the CCP first, before both global and Chinese citizens. And before anyone accuses me of nationalism, the US has its own share of worldbuilding to answer for, and our response is also difficult to excuse as US intelligence was no doubt aware of the true danger, considering papers regarding R0 and lethality and such have been floating around since early January. Like credit, assign blame where it is due. The behavior of the CCP is not a reflection on the Chinese people.
cadmuxe 7y ago
People are blaming China didn't do proper job in the initial one month, but ignore what US did barely nothing in the following two months with knowing it's a dangerous virus. And also they think one organization can know everything and recognize a global Pandemic just with a few cases. Oh man, if this kind of decision maker existed, We should do whatever we can to bring him/her to the coding industry. We will have bug-free softwares with his/her insight. https://www.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/fl7m3z/the_first_coronavirus_case_in_the_us_and_south/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/fl7m3z/the_fir...
- JPKab 7y ago
  This is a straw man argument. Most Americans are angry at their own government's response to a catastrophe, AND angry at the CCP for creating the catastrophe. (No, not the virus. The catastrophe is the virus' spread when it was preventable.)
JPKab 7y ago
I disagree. We have to understand that this is a massive externality of two decisions made by the Chinese Communist Party: 1.) Not fully enforcing laws regarding wildlife with wet markets, and additionally not having strict enough laws based on experiences with SARS, due to domestic pressure from a sizable group supported by wet markets. 2.) Initial suppression of communications from doctors in Wuhan trying to sound the alarm, including forcing written apologies for "spreading rumors". This suppression allowed for the disease to hit a massive spike due to not cancelling Wuhan's New Years feast. While the citizens of China were victimized by this horrifically themselves, this doesn't change the culpability of the CCP. Yes, other countries didn't handle it, but the root cause is the CCP's decisions, both long term and short term. India has a billion people as well, and is also densely populated. We don't see diseases coming from India on a regular basis. Edit: I want to add that as a human being, I've been horribly disappointed for years that we have collectively helped oppress over a billion people in China by propping up a government that doesn't respect individual rights via trade. Yes, hundreds of millions have been lifted out of poverty, but they are under the yoke of a regime that fails them. Other governments fail their citizens as well, but you don't "dissappear" if you complain about these failings publicly. I value the wonderful contributions and accomplishments of the Chinese people. I just wish I wasn't complicit in them being under the thumb of an authoritarian government.

twomoretime 7y ago

If China had been more forthcoming with the nature of the virus, instead of ramping up both internal and external censorship, perhaps the world would have been better prepared. Instead their KGB equivalent went into overdrive. Do you know that in addition to admonishing and disappearing doctors and scientists who dared to blow the whistle, at least one multimillionaire tycoon has been disappeared for criticizing the response? The CCP puts the CCP first, before both global and Chinese citizens. And before anyone accuses me of nationalism, the US has its own share of worldbuilding to answer for, and our response is also difficult to excuse as US intelligence was no doubt aware of the true danger, considering papers regarding R0 and lethality and such have been floating around since early January. Like credit, assign blame where it is due. The behavior of the CCP is not a reflection on the Chinese people.

cadmuxe 7y ago

People are blaming China didn't do proper job in the initial one month, but ignore what US did barely nothing in the following two months with knowing it's a dangerous virus. And also they think one organization can know everything and recognize a global Pandemic just with a few cases. Oh man, if this kind of decision maker existed, We should do whatever we can to bring him/her to the coding industry. We will have bug-free softwares with his/her insight. https://www.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/fl7m3z/the_first_coronavirus_case_in_the_us_and_south/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/fl7m3z/the_fir...

JPKab 7y ago
This is a straw man argument. Most Americans are angry at their own government's response to a catastrophe, AND angry at the CCP for creating the catastrophe. (No, not the virus. The catastrophe is the virus' spread when it was preventable.)

JPKab 7y ago

I disagree. We have to understand that this is a massive externality of two decisions made by the Chinese Communist Party: 1.) Not fully enforcing laws regarding wildlife with wet markets, and additionally not having strict enough laws based on experiences with SARS, due to domestic pressure from a sizable group supported by wet markets. 2.) Initial suppression of communications from doctors in Wuhan trying to sound the alarm, including forcing written apologies for "spreading rumors". This suppression allowed for the disease to hit a massive spike due to not cancelling Wuhan's New Years feast. While the citizens of China were victimized by this horrifically themselves, this doesn't change the culpability of the CCP. Yes, other countries didn't handle it, but the root cause is the CCP's decisions, both long term and short term. India has a billion people as well, and is also densely populated. We don't see diseases coming from India on a regular basis. Edit: I want to add that as a human being, I've been horribly disappointed for years that we have collectively helped oppress over a billion people in China by propping up a government that doesn't respect individual rights via trade. Yes, hundreds of millions have been lifted out of poverty, but they are under the yoke of a regime that fails them. Other governments fail their citizens as well, but you don't "dissappear" if you complain about these failings publicly. I value the wonderful contributions and accomplishments of the Chinese people. I just wish I wasn't complicit in them being under the thumb of an authoritarian government.