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Wow. This gave me a flashback to the early days of iOS jailbreaking, back in late 2000's. Wasn't "alpine" the password for the original jailbreak (that you down

Wow. This gave me a flashback to the early days of iOS jailbreaking, back in late 2000's. Wasn't "alpine" the password for the original jailbreak (that you downloaded over a safari/web PDF link if I recall). I never did learn exactly why "alpine" was the password...

saagarjha 7y ago
The first iOS release was codenamed Alpine, which started a long line of ski-resort related names. (It's a coincidence in this case.)
- numpad0 7y ago
  I remember the initial iPhone Simulator release was called "Aspen Simulator" and another codename for the iPhone hardware was "Purple" appearing somewhere as "Purple is the new Orange" or something... Is there a list of those?
  - saagarjha 7y ago
    Wikipedia has a fairly detailed (and as far as I can tell, accurate) page, though it’s not complete by any means: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Apple_codenames https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Apple_codenames
Flockster 7y ago
And it still is the root password of the iPhone/iPad etc. So when you install an ssh server on your jailbroken iDevice, you should change this password. ;)
- saagarjha 7y ago
  It’s also the mobile user’s password.
seltzered_ 7y ago
Yes, alpine was the password. I'm hoping ipadOS (not iOS) will eventually get some ability to compute/develop/run software without the hacks, just because the current state is absurd. I've made a collage to illustrate this: https://imgur.com/a/CQwApt8 https://imgur.com/a/CQwApt8 Text summary: iSH - enable location services to run things in the background. A couple youtube videos talking about having yet another device to do things like terminal access (via having a raspi over usb-c) or UTM (virtual machine host) - which from my understanding requires a paid 99/yr developer profile to run.
- Cu3PO42 7y ago
  I really like the iPad form factor and carry one around with me for almost all work and study because I really like the digital writing experience on that. Much more than on a Surface, for example. So I wanted to make this work, I really wanted to be able to use it for light development so I could leave my notebook at home some/most days (depending on what I'm currently working on). But it doesn't stop with all the things in your collage. i(Pad)OS doesn't natively support my keyboard layout, so I was looking at getting a QMK-compatible keyboard so I could do all the remapping before the signal ever reaches the iPad. Only after sinking a non-trivial amount of time into researching that I realized how absurd this was. A device so powerful and yet so limited by its software. I have since made my peace with the fact that my iPad is a glorified notepad and PDF viewer, but I wish it didn't have to be.
  - epicide 7y ago
    Depending on exactly what you want to work on, also look into using something like Blink[0]. I have several servers set up that I can now easily access from my iPad (or anything with an internet connection and an SSH client). I have one "bastion" server that basically acts as a headless dev box with mosh and tmux set up. As long as I have internet, I can quickly access machines that are far more capable than any laptop I've owned. Even when I inevitably do need my laptop for something, having this setup is great for continuity [1]. Of course, this is not a drop-in replacement for a proper desktop OS, especially if you aren't a heavy CLI user [2]. However, in a similar vein to "Linux is NOT Windows" [3], you can't expect a mobile experience to be significantly better without being significantly different. Over the past couple years where I've been dabbling with it, I have made a couple of mentality shifts about how I want to use computers going forward. Even if I don't every use an iPad as my main/only physical device, I now happily carry around one of the 12" Macbooks since I don't need all the computing power on my person. None of these ideas are particularly new, but I haven't seen many other people really taking it past "SSH into server, run command(s), exit". [0]: A very well-made SSH client for iOS that supports mosh): https://blink.sh/ https://blink.sh/ [1]: I can shut my laptop even if a large/long job is running since the job is running on a server. [2]: For some things, I've used VNC or other remote desktop type tools, but this experience also comes with heavy tradeoffs. YMMV. [3]: http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm

saagarjha 7y ago

The first iOS release was codenamed Alpine, which started a long line of ski-resort related names. (It's a coincidence in this case.)

numpad0 7y ago
I remember the initial iPhone Simulator release was called "Aspen Simulator" and another codename for the iPhone hardware was "Purple" appearing somewhere as "Purple is the new Orange" or something... Is there a list of those?
- saagarjha 7y ago
  Wikipedia has a fairly detailed (and as far as I can tell, accurate) page, though it’s not complete by any means: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Apple_codenames https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Apple_codenames

Flockster 7y ago

And it still is the root password of the iPhone/iPad etc. So when you install an ssh server on your jailbroken iDevice, you should change this password. ;)

saagarjha 7y ago
It’s also the mobile user’s password.

seltzered_ 7y ago

Yes, alpine was the password. I'm hoping ipadOS (not iOS) will eventually get some ability to compute/develop/run software without the hacks, just because the current state is absurd. I've made a collage to illustrate this: https://imgur.com/a/CQwApt8 https://imgur.com/a/CQwApt8 Text summary: iSH - enable location services to run things in the background. A couple youtube videos talking about having yet another device to do things like terminal access (via having a raspi over usb-c) or UTM (virtual machine host) - which from my understanding requires a paid 99/yr developer profile to run.

Cu3PO42 7y ago
I really like the iPad form factor and carry one around with me for almost all work and study because I really like the digital writing experience on that. Much more than on a Surface, for example. So I wanted to make this work, I really wanted to be able to use it for light development so I could leave my notebook at home some/most days (depending on what I'm currently working on). But it doesn't stop with all the things in your collage. i(Pad)OS doesn't natively support my keyboard layout, so I was looking at getting a QMK-compatible keyboard so I could do all the remapping before the signal ever reaches the iPad. Only after sinking a non-trivial amount of time into researching that I realized how absurd this was. A device so powerful and yet so limited by its software. I have since made my peace with the fact that my iPad is a glorified notepad and PDF viewer, but I wish it didn't have to be.
- epicide 7y ago
  Depending on exactly what you want to work on, also look into using something like Blink[0]. I have several servers set up that I can now easily access from my iPad (or anything with an internet connection and an SSH client). I have one "bastion" server that basically acts as a headless dev box with mosh and tmux set up. As long as I have internet, I can quickly access machines that are far more capable than any laptop I've owned. Even when I inevitably do need my laptop for something, having this setup is great for continuity [1]. Of course, this is not a drop-in replacement for a proper desktop OS, especially if you aren't a heavy CLI user [2]. However, in a similar vein to "Linux is NOT Windows" [3], you can't expect a mobile experience to be significantly better without being significantly different. Over the past couple years where I've been dabbling with it, I have made a couple of mentality shifts about how I want to use computers going forward. Even if I don't every use an iPad as my main/only physical device, I now happily carry around one of the 12" Macbooks since I don't need all the computing power on my person. None of these ideas are particularly new, but I haven't seen many other people really taking it past "SSH into server, run command(s), exit". [0]: A very well-made SSH client for iOS that supports mosh): https://blink.sh/ https://blink.sh/ [1]: I can shut my laptop even if a large/long job is running since the job is running on a server. [2]: For some things, I've used VNC or other remote desktop type tools, but this experience also comes with heavy tradeoffs. YMMV. [3]: http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm