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Page Previews is a great example of leveraging "web app" that solves many problems at once: - quickly inform on a topic without clicking through (lower latency

Page Previews is a great example of leveraging "web app" that solves many problems at once: - quickly inform on a topic without clicking through (lower latency) - increase scanability (hence readability) - decrease expensive whole page loads - eliminate need to open many tabs https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Page_Previews https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Page_Previews

enriquto 7y ago
Whatever, but if wikipedia somehow becomes unusable without javascript, it will be a real tragedy.
- jdlrobson 7y ago
  You dont need to be worried about this. Our morales and principles are not changing. I built the Wikipedia mobile site and there's a reason our hamburger menu, lazy loaded images and editor actually work without JS. We are for everyone regardless of internet connection speed, device value and internet stability. That's a a hill at least I as an employee am prepared to die on.
  - enriquto 7y ago
    I cannot express how reassuring your words are, and how happy I am to hear them. Thank you very much! Well; it turns out that I can: just made a donation.
  - belval 7y ago
    If that's the case then I am sorry for my earlier comment, Wikipedia is a treasure and you are doing amazing work!
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vorpalhex 7y ago
Page Previews, specifically Hovercards can be implemented in a very simple way with plain JS [^1] and is clearly an enhancement - everything works just fine if hovercards don't load. But most features on Wikipedia aren't like that, and would be really hurt if you had to a JS bundle or otherwise deal with the usual bloated webapp nonsense. Wikipedia primarily needs to load quickly and be semantic with preferably simple infrastructure to help their budget. [^1]: See Gwern.net for an example of an easy pure JS hovercard - https://www.gwern.net/DNB-FAQ https://www.gwern.net/DNB-FAQ
- majewsky 7y ago
  Each such feature individually can be implemented in a very simple way with vanilla JS. All such features taken together create a horrible unmaintainable mess. Speaking from experience.

enriquto 7y ago

Whatever, but if wikipedia somehow becomes unusable without javascript, it will be a real tragedy.

jdlrobson 7y ago
You dont need to be worried about this. Our morales and principles are not changing. I built the Wikipedia mobile site and there's a reason our hamburger menu, lazy loaded images and editor actually work without JS. We are for everyone regardless of internet connection speed, device value and internet stability. That's a a hill at least I as an employee am prepared to die on.
- enriquto 7y ago
  I cannot express how reassuring your words are, and how happy I am to hear them. Thank you very much! Well; it turns out that I can: just made a donation.
- belval 7y ago
  If that's the case then I am sorry for my earlier comment, Wikipedia is a treasure and you are doing amazing work!

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vorpalhex 7y ago

Page Previews, specifically Hovercards can be implemented in a very simple way with plain JS [^1] and is clearly an enhancement - everything works just fine if hovercards don't load. But most features on Wikipedia aren't like that, and would be really hurt if you had to a JS bundle or otherwise deal with the usual bloated webapp nonsense. Wikipedia primarily needs to load quickly and be semantic with preferably simple infrastructure to help their budget. [^1]: See Gwern.net for an example of an easy pure JS hovercard - https://www.gwern.net/DNB-FAQ https://www.gwern.net/DNB-FAQ

majewsky 7y ago
Each such feature individually can be implemented in a very simple way with vanilla JS. All such features taken together create a horrible unmaintainable mess. Speaking from experience.