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It's worse than that. One finger dragged up moves the cursor up, two fingers dragged up scrolls the window... down? Is it really sensible to be internally incon

by seabee 16y ago

It's worse than that. One finger dragged up moves the cursor up, two fingers dragged up scrolls the window... down? Is it really sensible to be internally inconsistent? It also runs counter to scroll wheels on mice, which has a physical reason for the direction too.

sans-serif 16y ago
It doesn't make sense only because you put it in terms of some completely abstract and made-up notion of "scrolling the window". Put another way: One finger drags the cursor up and down Two finger drags the underlying page up and down Four finger drags the underlying space left, right, up or down Perfectly consistent, no? I won't argue that forcing people to relearn scrolling is an uphill battle. But I'm a Dvorak typist.
- seabee 16y ago
  It's one way to look at it. I'm used to the behavior of the scroll wheel, and also the scroll keys - moving the cursor down will necessarily move the underlying page up to keep it visible, so that equates to 'scrolling down' in my mind. This was completely logical until smartphones came along. Obviously Apple are finding a lot of their users believe (or soon will believe) otherwise.
dgraunke 16y ago
The new scrolling isn't totally incompatible with scroll wheel usage, if you're willing to overthink it a little bit. Imagine that the scroll wheel is resting on the page, and that by applying upward/forward movement to the top of the wheel, you apply downward force to the page, moving your viewing pane higher on the page. Like so: http://imgur.com/245lA http://imgur.com/245lA
- seabee 16y ago
  That is the physical reason I referred to.
Someone 16y ago
I am not sure this will feel that inconsistent: - Page Up scrolls the page down - Up arrow (eventually) scrolls the page down, too. Looking at it that way, the only exception is be single finger drag. I guess that 'has' to be that way because otherwise dragging a finger down a bit would be too different from lifting it shortly, then clicking a bit down.

by seabee 16y ago

sans-serif 16y ago

It doesn't make sense only because you put it in terms of some completely abstract and made-up notion of "scrolling the window". Put another way: One finger drags the cursor up and down Two finger drags the underlying page up and down Four finger drags the underlying space left, right, up or down Perfectly consistent, no? I won't argue that forcing people to relearn scrolling is an uphill battle. But I'm a Dvorak typist.

seabee 16y ago
It's one way to look at it. I'm used to the behavior of the scroll wheel, and also the scroll keys - moving the cursor down will necessarily move the underlying page up to keep it visible, so that equates to 'scrolling down' in my mind. This was completely logical until smartphones came along. Obviously Apple are finding a lot of their users believe (or soon will believe) otherwise.

dgraunke 16y ago

The new scrolling isn't totally incompatible with scroll wheel usage, if you're willing to overthink it a little bit. Imagine that the scroll wheel is resting on the page, and that by applying upward/forward movement to the top of the wheel, you apply downward force to the page, moving your viewing pane higher on the page. Like so: http://imgur.com/245lA http://imgur.com/245lA

seabee 16y ago
That is the physical reason I referred to.

Someone 16y ago

I am not sure this will feel that inconsistent: - Page Up scrolls the page down - Up arrow (eventually) scrolls the page down, too. Looking at it that way, the only exception is be single finger drag. I guess that 'has' to be that way because otherwise dragging a finger down a bit would be too different from lifting it shortly, then clicking a bit down.