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Let's drop the analogy and discuss reality. What do you blame Trump for? From what I've read, the US response was hindered mostly by a faulty reagent in the C

Let's drop the analogy and discuss reality. What do you blame Trump for? From what I've read, the US response was hindered mostly by a faulty reagent in the CDC's test kits, which led to an inability to test patients for the virus.[1] How is a faulty reagent Trump's fault? And even with that hinderence, the course of the virus, the number of people hospitalized, and the government policies in the US seem to be proceeding in parallel with most other developed nations. 1: https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/02/united-states-badly-bungled-coronavirus-testing-things-may-soon-improve https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/02/united-states-badly-...

netsharc 7y ago
Can I blame him for picking Angry Moustache Bolton? As I said before, Bolton, the best man for the job in Trump's eyes, cut NSC/CDC funding, making the US blinder to threats. Are you really that much of a Trump-defender? Now it's wholly CDC's fault, so Trump is still innocent? I'd bother look up his many downplaying and ignorance of the issues, but is it worth it, if you're one of the brainwashed? As this man said [1], during the 2016 primaries: > I would, however, add a casual observation: at this point Trump has been the front-runner for long enough that it’s very hard to imagine his supporters suddenly losing faith, because it would be too embarrassing. > Bear in mind that embarrassment, and the desire to avoid it, are enormously important sources of motivation. [...]. Nobody likes looking like a chump, and most people will go to great lengths to convince themselves that they weren’t. > Now think about someone who has been supporting Trump since the summer. For the Trump bubble to burst, many people like that would have to slap their foreheads and say, “Wow, he’s not a serious person! What was I thinking?” [1] https://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2015/12/15/the-donald-and-the-chump-factor/ https://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2015/12/15/the-donald-and-...
- leereeves 7y ago
  > Angry Moustache Bolton > one of the brainwashed Talk like that isn't appropriate here. As deng says, this is a place for curious, open-minded discussion, not partisan name calling.
  - netsharc 7y ago
    Fine... and any response to the substance of my posts? To pivot to the psychology, I'm going to conclude: Here you are, changing the topic, because as I said above, you are a Trump defender (I will assume this until I see a denial) who can't admit that he's been taken for a ride, because, as I copy-pasted above, you think "I'm not a gullible person!". If you want to show me you're curious and open-minded, respond to the substances about Trump. Otherwise I'll keep my conclusions and walk away.
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    - leereeves 7y ago
      I've already responded to the substance of your earlier posts, and these new posts don't contain anything new of substance. This discussion ended when you switched to blanket personal attacks on everyone who disagrees with you.
      - netsharc 7y ago
        Well, you know my conclusions. I'd disagree with your claim that you've responded (in my view your "Aaah you're attacking me" is just a deflection), but as I've written, I'm walking away. Enjoy that cognitive dissonance!
        leereeves 7y ago
        There's no cognitive dissonance. Just a lot of disappointment every time I read the facts behind the latest "scandal" and find that it's just anti-Trump spin. Let's not bring that nonsense here. Let's discuss facts and evidence and make an effort to put partisanship aside.
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netsharc 7y ago
Since my substantive but apparently "name-calling" reply got flagged, here it is with the offending parts corrected, for posterity's sake: Can I blame him for picking John Bolton, who is well-known to have anger issues? As I said before, Bolton -- the best man for the job in Trump's eyes -- cut NSC/CDC funding, making the US blinder to threats. Are you really that much of a Trump-defender? Now it's wholly CDC's fault, so Trump is still innocent? I'd bother look up his many downplaying and ignorance of the issues, but is it worth it, if you're just going to deflect and still defend him? As this man said [1], during the 2016 primaries: > I would, however, add a casual observation: at this point Trump has been the front-runner for long enough that it’s very hard to imagine his supporters suddenly losing faith, because it would be too embarrassing. > Bear in mind that embarrassment, and the desire to avoid it, are enormously important sources of motivation. [...]. Nobody likes looking like a chump, and most people will go to great lengths to convince themselves that they weren’t. > Now think about someone who has been supporting Trump since the summer. For the Trump bubble to burst, many people like that would have to slap their foreheads and say, “Wow, he’s not a serious person! What was I thinking?” [1] https://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2015/12/15/the-donald-and-.. https://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2015/12/15/the-donald-and-....

netsharc 7y ago

Can I blame him for picking Angry Moustache Bolton? As I said before, Bolton, the best man for the job in Trump's eyes, cut NSC/CDC funding, making the US blinder to threats. Are you really that much of a Trump-defender? Now it's wholly CDC's fault, so Trump is still innocent? I'd bother look up his many downplaying and ignorance of the issues, but is it worth it, if you're one of the brainwashed? As this man said [1], during the 2016 primaries: > I would, however, add a casual observation: at this point Trump has been the front-runner for long enough that it’s very hard to imagine his supporters suddenly losing faith, because it would be too embarrassing. > Bear in mind that embarrassment, and the desire to avoid it, are enormously important sources of motivation. [...]. Nobody likes looking like a chump, and most people will go to great lengths to convince themselves that they weren’t. > Now think about someone who has been supporting Trump since the summer. For the Trump bubble to burst, many people like that would have to slap their foreheads and say, “Wow, he’s not a serious person! What was I thinking?” [1] https://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2015/12/15/the-donald-and-the-chump-factor/ https://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2015/12/15/the-donald-and-...

leereeves 7y ago
> Angry Moustache Bolton > one of the brainwashed Talk like that isn't appropriate here. As deng says, this is a place for curious, open-minded discussion, not partisan name calling.
- netsharc 7y ago
  Fine... and any response to the substance of my posts? To pivot to the psychology, I'm going to conclude: Here you are, changing the topic, because as I said above, you are a Trump defender (I will assume this until I see a denial) who can't admit that he's been taken for a ride, because, as I copy-pasted above, you think "I'm not a gullible person!". If you want to show me you're curious and open-minded, respond to the substances about Trump. Otherwise I'll keep my conclusions and walk away.
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  - leereeves 7y ago
    I've already responded to the substance of your earlier posts, and these new posts don't contain anything new of substance. This discussion ended when you switched to blanket personal attacks on everyone who disagrees with you.
    - netsharc 7y ago
      Well, you know my conclusions. I'd disagree with your claim that you've responded (in my view your "Aaah you're attacking me" is just a deflection), but as I've written, I'm walking away. Enjoy that cognitive dissonance!
      - leereeves 7y ago
        There's no cognitive dissonance. Just a lot of disappointment every time I read the facts behind the latest "scandal" and find that it's just anti-Trump spin. Let's not bring that nonsense here. Let's discuss facts and evidence and make an effort to put partisanship aside.
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netsharc 7y ago

Since my substantive but apparently "name-calling" reply got flagged, here it is with the offending parts corrected, for posterity's sake: Can I blame him for picking John Bolton, who is well-known to have anger issues? As I said before, Bolton -- the best man for the job in Trump's eyes -- cut NSC/CDC funding, making the US blinder to threats. Are you really that much of a Trump-defender? Now it's wholly CDC's fault, so Trump is still innocent? I'd bother look up his many downplaying and ignorance of the issues, but is it worth it, if you're just going to deflect and still defend him? As this man said [1], during the 2016 primaries: > I would, however, add a casual observation: at this point Trump has been the front-runner for long enough that it’s very hard to imagine his supporters suddenly losing faith, because it would be too embarrassing. > Bear in mind that embarrassment, and the desire to avoid it, are enormously important sources of motivation. [...]. Nobody likes looking like a chump, and most people will go to great lengths to convince themselves that they weren’t. > Now think about someone who has been supporting Trump since the summer. For the Trump bubble to burst, many people like that would have to slap their foreheads and say, “Wow, he’s not a serious person! What was I thinking?” [1] https://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2015/12/15/the-donald-and-.. https://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2015/12/15/the-donald-and-....