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Imagine the same scenario, but now Team A and Team B are on opposite sides of the world, and Team A is an authoritarian regime that won't let anyone get near Fo

Imagine the same scenario, but now Team A and Team B are on opposite sides of the world, and Team A is an authoritarian regime that won't let anyone get near Forest A and won't let anyone talk about Forest A, and instead of a forest fire, the danger is microscopic, invisible to the naked eye and to satellites. Would you still blame Team B for not knowing about the danger immediately?

8note 7y ago
Japan confirmed it's first case January 15th. what was Trump doing for the past two months? would an extra month's notice have done anything? I get the sense Obama could have told him exactly when it would happen, and he'd have still done nothing until American deaths started ramping up
netsharc 7y ago
I'm not blaming team B for not knowing about it immediately, I'm blaming them for their shrugging response even after it's terribly obvious what's happened. And you seem to say Team B is still utterly blameless, it's all Team A's fault.
- leereeves 7y ago
  Let's drop the analogy and discuss reality. What do you blame Trump for? From what I've read, the US response was hindered mostly by a faulty reagent in the CDC's test kits, which led to an inability to test patients for the virus.[1] How is a faulty reagent Trump's fault? And even with that hinderence, the course of the virus, the number of people hospitalized, and the government policies in the US seem to be proceeding in parallel with most other developed nations. 1: https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/02/united-states-badly-bungled-coronavirus-testing-things-may-soon-improve https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/02/united-states-badly-...
  - netsharc 7y ago
    Can I blame him for picking Angry Moustache Bolton? As I said before, Bolton, the best man for the job in Trump's eyes, cut NSC/CDC funding, making the US blinder to threats. Are you really that much of a Trump-defender? Now it's wholly CDC's fault, so Trump is still innocent? I'd bother look up his many downplaying and ignorance of the issues, but is it worth it, if you're one of the brainwashed? As this man said [1], during the 2016 primaries: > I would, however, add a casual observation: at this point Trump has been the front-runner for long enough that it’s very hard to imagine his supporters suddenly losing faith, because it would be too embarrassing. > Bear in mind that embarrassment, and the desire to avoid it, are enormously important sources of motivation. [...]. Nobody likes looking like a chump, and most people will go to great lengths to convince themselves that they weren’t. > Now think about someone who has been supporting Trump since the summer. For the Trump bubble to burst, many people like that would have to slap their foreheads and say, “Wow, he’s not a serious person! What was I thinking?” [1] https://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2015/12/15/the-donald-and-the-chump-factor/ https://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2015/12/15/the-donald-and-...
    - leereeves 7y ago
      > Angry Moustache Bolton > one of the brainwashed Talk like that isn't appropriate here. As deng says, this is a place for curious, open-minded discussion, not partisan name calling.
      - netsharc 7y ago
        Fine... and any response to the substance of my posts? To pivot to the psychology, I'm going to conclude: Here you are, changing the topic, because as I said above, you are a Trump defender (I will assume this until I see a denial) who can't admit that he's been taken for a ride, because, as I copy-pasted above, you think "I'm not a gullible person!". If you want to show me you're curious and open-minded, respond to the substances about Trump. Otherwise I'll keep my conclusions and walk away.
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  - netsharc 7y ago
    Since my substantive but apparently "name-calling" reply got flagged, here it is with the offending parts corrected, for posterity's sake: Can I blame him for picking John Bolton, who is well-known to have anger issues? As I said before, Bolton -- the best man for the job in Trump's eyes -- cut NSC/CDC funding, making the US blinder to threats. Are you really that much of a Trump-defender? Now it's wholly CDC's fault, so Trump is still innocent? I'd bother look up his many downplaying and ignorance of the issues, but is it worth it, if you're just going to deflect and still defend him? As this man said [1], during the 2016 primaries: > I would, however, add a casual observation: at this point Trump has been the front-runner for long enough that it’s very hard to imagine his supporters suddenly losing faith, because it would be too embarrassing. > Bear in mind that embarrassment, and the desire to avoid it, are enormously important sources of motivation. [...]. Nobody likes looking like a chump, and most people will go to great lengths to convince themselves that they weren’t. > Now think about someone who has been supporting Trump since the summer. For the Trump bubble to burst, many people like that would have to slap their foreheads and say, “Wow, he’s not a serious person! What was I thinking?” [1] https://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2015/12/15/the-donald-and-.. https://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2015/12/15/the-donald-and-....

8note 7y ago

Japan confirmed it's first case January 15th. what was Trump doing for the past two months? would an extra month's notice have done anything? I get the sense Obama could have told him exactly when it would happen, and he'd have still done nothing until American deaths started ramping up

netsharc 7y ago

I'm not blaming team B for not knowing about it immediately, I'm blaming them for their shrugging response even after it's terribly obvious what's happened. And you seem to say Team B is still utterly blameless, it's all Team A's fault.

leereeves 7y ago
Let's drop the analogy and discuss reality. What do you blame Trump for? From what I've read, the US response was hindered mostly by a faulty reagent in the CDC's test kits, which led to an inability to test patients for the virus.[1] How is a faulty reagent Trump's fault? And even with that hinderence, the course of the virus, the number of people hospitalized, and the government policies in the US seem to be proceeding in parallel with most other developed nations. 1: https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/02/united-states-badly-bungled-coronavirus-testing-things-may-soon-improve https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/02/united-states-badly-...
- netsharc 7y ago
  Can I blame him for picking Angry Moustache Bolton? As I said before, Bolton, the best man for the job in Trump's eyes, cut NSC/CDC funding, making the US blinder to threats. Are you really that much of a Trump-defender? Now it's wholly CDC's fault, so Trump is still innocent? I'd bother look up his many downplaying and ignorance of the issues, but is it worth it, if you're one of the brainwashed? As this man said [1], during the 2016 primaries: > I would, however, add a casual observation: at this point Trump has been the front-runner for long enough that it’s very hard to imagine his supporters suddenly losing faith, because it would be too embarrassing. > Bear in mind that embarrassment, and the desire to avoid it, are enormously important sources of motivation. [...]. Nobody likes looking like a chump, and most people will go to great lengths to convince themselves that they weren’t. > Now think about someone who has been supporting Trump since the summer. For the Trump bubble to burst, many people like that would have to slap their foreheads and say, “Wow, he’s not a serious person! What was I thinking?” [1] https://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2015/12/15/the-donald-and-the-chump-factor/ https://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2015/12/15/the-donald-and-...
  - leereeves 7y ago
    > Angry Moustache Bolton > one of the brainwashed Talk like that isn't appropriate here. As deng says, this is a place for curious, open-minded discussion, not partisan name calling.
    - netsharc 7y ago
      Fine... and any response to the substance of my posts? To pivot to the psychology, I'm going to conclude: Here you are, changing the topic, because as I said above, you are a Trump defender (I will assume this until I see a denial) who can't admit that he's been taken for a ride, because, as I copy-pasted above, you think "I'm not a gullible person!". If you want to show me you're curious and open-minded, respond to the substances about Trump. Otherwise I'll keep my conclusions and walk away.
      - deleted 7y ago
        [deleted]
- netsharc 7y ago
  Since my substantive but apparently "name-calling" reply got flagged, here it is with the offending parts corrected, for posterity's sake: Can I blame him for picking John Bolton, who is well-known to have anger issues? As I said before, Bolton -- the best man for the job in Trump's eyes -- cut NSC/CDC funding, making the US blinder to threats. Are you really that much of a Trump-defender? Now it's wholly CDC's fault, so Trump is still innocent? I'd bother look up his many downplaying and ignorance of the issues, but is it worth it, if you're just going to deflect and still defend him? As this man said [1], during the 2016 primaries: > I would, however, add a casual observation: at this point Trump has been the front-runner for long enough that it’s very hard to imagine his supporters suddenly losing faith, because it would be too embarrassing. > Bear in mind that embarrassment, and the desire to avoid it, are enormously important sources of motivation. [...]. Nobody likes looking like a chump, and most people will go to great lengths to convince themselves that they weren’t. > Now think about someone who has been supporting Trump since the summer. For the Trump bubble to burst, many people like that would have to slap their foreheads and say, “Wow, he’s not a serious person! What was I thinking?” [1] https://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2015/12/15/the-donald-and-.. https://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2015/12/15/the-donald-and-....