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I'm not sure! There is the idea of the "stolen concept fallacy", which is to reason about something while denying that you are able to reason as the result of s

by beaner 7y ago

I'm not sure! There is the idea of the "stolen concept fallacy", which is to reason about something while denying that you are able to reason as the result of sensory perception, which if you accept, might mean there's some naturally resulting axioms about the senses and what a consciousness is capable of knowing. These aren't my ideas. At the risk of having this and my first comment downvoted into oblivion, I got them from Ayn Rand. She has a short (80-page) nonfiction book about just these things which I think is remarkable, called Introduction to Objectivist Epistemology. If you are not predisposed to despising the author, it's a quick, very interesting read that I recommend. Edit: And there are the downvotes...

pavas 7y ago
Your starting point is taken up by Descartes in his Meditations on First Philosophy. The more modern expansion of these ideas can be found in Phenomenology by people like Husserl or Heidegger. There are a lot of contemporary philosophers dealing directly with philosophy of mind and consciousness which is more of an offshoot of these questions once you sideline questions of grounding. And there is also more contemporary philosophy of science/math that deals directly with questions of consistency and the grounding of logical or rationalistic methods. Basically there are a lot of resources if you are interested in this stuff, and I would heavily recommend reading and understanding what others have thought about before trying to re-invent the wheel as your starting point. That takes too long and there's a long way to go.
- beaner 7y ago
  Not trying to reinvent anything, just sharing things that I've found appealing. Not claiming this author was first or last or original or not, only an influence on myself. Have you read the book? If not, it may contain perspectives you haven't encountered yet. Thanks for the recs!
  - pavas 7y ago
    Oh I wasn't trying to imply that. I was responding to "What's the next step after those?" with some of the paths I've gone down. I've put somewhat of a moratorium on philosophy as of late because I don't have the time for it, but I'll check it out if I do get the time.

by beaner 7y ago

pavas 7y ago

Your starting point is taken up by Descartes in his Meditations on First Philosophy. The more modern expansion of these ideas can be found in Phenomenology by people like Husserl or Heidegger. There are a lot of contemporary philosophers dealing directly with philosophy of mind and consciousness which is more of an offshoot of these questions once you sideline questions of grounding. And there is also more contemporary philosophy of science/math that deals directly with questions of consistency and the grounding of logical or rationalistic methods. Basically there are a lot of resources if you are interested in this stuff, and I would heavily recommend reading and understanding what others have thought about before trying to re-invent the wheel as your starting point. That takes too long and there's a long way to go.

beaner 7y ago
Not trying to reinvent anything, just sharing things that I've found appealing. Not claiming this author was first or last or original or not, only an influence on myself. Have you read the book? If not, it may contain perspectives you haven't encountered yet. Thanks for the recs!
- pavas 7y ago
  Oh I wasn't trying to imply that. I was responding to "What's the next step after those?" with some of the paths I've gone down. I've put somewhat of a moratorium on philosophy as of late because I don't have the time for it, but I'll check it out if I do get the time.