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But nationalizing private business is the symbol of communism! How dare you say such a thing!

by piiswrong 7y ago

toomuchtodo 7y ago
Everyone is a socialist during a financial crisis.
- piiswrong 7y ago
  but after the crisis do you give it back to the shareholders and let them brood for the next crisis, or do you remain a socialist forever?
  - toomuchtodo 7y ago
    Public goods must be protected. USPS does pretty well IMHO, as a similar example. No reason to recapitalize with public shareholders if you don’t need them. The Fed doesn’t have them (their shares are unique and essentially non transferable).
    - totalZero 7y ago
      USPS lost $8.8 billion in fiscal year 2019.
      - toomuchtodo 7y ago
        Public goods don’t have to break even or generate a profit. They still deliver my mail like clockwork, and we’ll cover any pension obligations with taxes if there’s a shortfall because of Congressional action (which is why USPS loses money, due to Congress having unreasonable pension funding requirements specifically for USPS). If you require a bailout, you had your chance as a for profit concern. Entirely reasonable to run services at a loss as a government entity. Some services are simply expenses.
        AnthonyMouse 7y ago
        > They still deliver my mail like clockwork "Makes the trains run on time" is a pretty weak argument when the alternative (e.g. UPS) has a demonstrated ability to do the same thing without losing billions of dollars. > If you require a bailout, you had your chance as a for profit concern. Entirely reasonable to run services at a loss as a government entity. Isn't this a double standard? A private entity loses money and requires a taxpayer bailout once, they've had their chance. A government entity loses money and requires a taxpayer bailout every year, cost of doing business?
        toomuchtodo 7y ago
        We have bailed banks and airlines out repeatedly, not once. UPS is not mandated to deliver to every address in the United States six days a week, such that USPS is.
      - ta999999171 7y ago
        Are they still required to set aside 50-75 years of retirement funds for every employee?
manigandham 7y ago
Please give some examples where this has worked out well.

But nationalizing private business is the symbol of communism! How dare you say such a thing!

toomuchtodo 7y ago

Everyone is a socialist during a financial crisis.

piiswrong 7y ago
but after the crisis do you give it back to the shareholders and let them brood for the next crisis, or do you remain a socialist forever?
- toomuchtodo 7y ago
  Public goods must be protected. USPS does pretty well IMHO, as a similar example. No reason to recapitalize with public shareholders if you don’t need them. The Fed doesn’t have them (their shares are unique and essentially non transferable).
  - totalZero 7y ago
    USPS lost $8.8 billion in fiscal year 2019.
    - toomuchtodo 7y ago
      Public goods don’t have to break even or generate a profit. They still deliver my mail like clockwork, and we’ll cover any pension obligations with taxes if there’s a shortfall because of Congressional action (which is why USPS loses money, due to Congress having unreasonable pension funding requirements specifically for USPS). If you require a bailout, you had your chance as a for profit concern. Entirely reasonable to run services at a loss as a government entity. Some services are simply expenses.
      - AnthonyMouse 7y ago
        > They still deliver my mail like clockwork "Makes the trains run on time" is a pretty weak argument when the alternative (e.g. UPS) has a demonstrated ability to do the same thing without losing billions of dollars. > If you require a bailout, you had your chance as a for profit concern. Entirely reasonable to run services at a loss as a government entity. Isn't this a double standard? A private entity loses money and requires a taxpayer bailout once, they've had their chance. A government entity loses money and requires a taxpayer bailout every year, cost of doing business?
        toomuchtodo 7y ago
        We have bailed banks and airlines out repeatedly, not once. UPS is not mandated to deliver to every address in the United States six days a week, such that USPS is.
    - ta999999171 7y ago
      Are they still required to set aside 50-75 years of retirement funds for every employee?

manigandham 7y ago

Please give some examples where this has worked out well.