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Musk thinks it’s hype https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1239756900255903744 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1239756900255903744

dmix 7y ago
That's an overstatement of what he said. He had been posting about possible medical treatments [1], which is why the tweet you linked to starts with "That said" before talking about panicking and redirecting medical resources away from people who need it. Do you know why? The drug he was posting about before that tweet, `chloroquine`, is already facing shortages around the globe for people already on it for non-COVID-19 treatments, including people suffering from Lupus [2]. He probably got attacked for promoting it in previous tweets, which is the likely context of the one you linked to, and is regardless a very valid concern for a popular figure tweeting about possible treatments. I've seen others telling people to be cautious promoting it, as we don't need people also needlessly hoarding a critical drug which is quickly becoming a frontline treatment for Coronavirus. [1] https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1239776019856461824 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1239776019856461824 [2] https://twitter.com/search?q=lupus%20shortage https://twitter.com/search?q=lupus%20shortage
- untog 7y ago
  He also literally said "The coronavirus panic is dumb": https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1236029449042198528 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1236029449042198528
  - dmix 7y ago
    Yeah, that's not a helpful thing to say, but the comment I'm referring to was his own direct reply to his tweet about Chloroquine (see linked tweets above). Regarding that tweet, the only pass it was from March 6 (maybe, but probably not, best not to say anything early on). Even our Canadian gov spent the last month or so saying "there's no scientific evidence supporting border closure" [1], including in comments by our health minister a few days before they indeed closed all of Canada's borders. Nearly every person getting diagnosed w/ COVID-19 in Ontario has traveled recently, even the cases from today [2]. Nothing wrong with being wrong and later being educated on the seriousness - Elon seems to have changed his tune recently which is good. A concept that is frequently lost in our social media outrage machine. Not everyone is wise enough to not make public statements with such certainty, even our well-educated health ministers... meanwhile panic buying TP didn't do anyone any good either. [1] https://www.thestar.com/politics/federal/2020/03/12/after-trump-targets-europe-canadian-officials-say-closing-the-border-wont-stop-covid-19.html https://www.thestar.com/politics/federal/2020/03/12/after-tr... [2] https://www.ontario.ca/page/2019-novel-coronavirus#section-0 https://www.ontario.ca/page/2019-novel-coronavirus#section-0 (note: how travel + country name is next to almost every case, even well into March 18th)
  - hndamien 7y ago
    Giving the benefit of the doubt, maybe the emphasis was on the "panic" part.
  - _-___________-_ 7y ago
    It doesn't seem unreasonable, even if it might be unhelpful. Most kinds of panic are dumb.
- zozbot234 7y ago
  Chloroquine is already on the WHO list of 'essential medicines', and can be made very cheaply as a generic. Any shortages would be quite temporary indeed; the last thing you want to do in such circumstances is suppress latent demand for it and repeat the whole masks/respirators/hand sanitizer fiasco.
  - dmix 7y ago
    That doesn't mean much to the people with Lupus having their pharmacist tell them it's on "backorder", far less than not having hand sanitizer. One would hope it's only temporary. On the brighter side, France has a company promising to produce millions of doses: > French manufacturer Sanofi has said it could hypothetically offer enough doses of Plaquenil - a drug containing the molecule hydroxychloroquine - to treat up to 300,000 people if necessary. https://www.connexionfrance.com/French-news/French-lab-Sanofi-hypothetically-offers-millions-of-doses-of-potential-Covid-19-Plaquenil-anti-malaria-drug https://www.connexionfrance.com/French-news/French-lab-Sanof... Not sure what the status is on other generic pharma companies who produce it. I know Teva produces chloroquine, but not hydroxychloroquine (Plaquenil) which is apparently "3x more effective" with coronavirus, and is mostly based in the US (NJ). I'm sure they've all been aware of this since February at a minimum when it first made the rounds as a possible treatment.
    - zozbot234 7y ago
      > That doesn't mean much to the people with Lupus having their pharmacist tell them it's on "backorder" Well, we'd have to choose between telling the people with Lupus that, and telling the folks with SARS-CoV-2 the same thing, except even worse (because suppliers have not had a chance to react to that increased demand). Are we sure that the former is preferable?
      - dmix 7y ago
        The question is typically between hoarders and people who need it, at least in the context of a popular figure tweeting about it. It's available in many countries over the counter, so you can't be sure it will only be purchased with a predefined need.
- scarejunba 7y ago
  That's just bureaucracy in the West. I have contacts in the East who got me Lariago-DS. Super cheap to manufacture, super compact, easy to ship. In fact, it's in plentiful supply. Just not in the West because you have a customs wall. Drop the wall and you'll have your drugs in days. If you have 'backorders' for your Lupus patients, then you've already failed at something trivial to solve.

dmix 7y ago

That's an overstatement of what he said. He had been posting about possible medical treatments [1], which is why the tweet you linked to starts with "That said" before talking about panicking and redirecting medical resources away from people who need it. Do you know why? The drug he was posting about before that tweet, `chloroquine`, is already facing shortages around the globe for people already on it for non-COVID-19 treatments, including people suffering from Lupus [2]. He probably got attacked for promoting it in previous tweets, which is the likely context of the one you linked to, and is regardless a very valid concern for a popular figure tweeting about possible treatments. I've seen others telling people to be cautious promoting it, as we don't need people also needlessly hoarding a critical drug which is quickly becoming a frontline treatment for Coronavirus. [1] https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1239776019856461824 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1239776019856461824 [2] https://twitter.com/search?q=lupus%20shortage https://twitter.com/search?q=lupus%20shortage

untog 7y ago
He also literally said "The coronavirus panic is dumb": https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1236029449042198528 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1236029449042198528
- dmix 7y ago
  Yeah, that's not a helpful thing to say, but the comment I'm referring to was his own direct reply to his tweet about Chloroquine (see linked tweets above). Regarding that tweet, the only pass it was from March 6 (maybe, but probably not, best not to say anything early on). Even our Canadian gov spent the last month or so saying "there's no scientific evidence supporting border closure" [1], including in comments by our health minister a few days before they indeed closed all of Canada's borders. Nearly every person getting diagnosed w/ COVID-19 in Ontario has traveled recently, even the cases from today [2]. Nothing wrong with being wrong and later being educated on the seriousness - Elon seems to have changed his tune recently which is good. A concept that is frequently lost in our social media outrage machine. Not everyone is wise enough to not make public statements with such certainty, even our well-educated health ministers... meanwhile panic buying TP didn't do anyone any good either. [1] https://www.thestar.com/politics/federal/2020/03/12/after-trump-targets-europe-canadian-officials-say-closing-the-border-wont-stop-covid-19.html https://www.thestar.com/politics/federal/2020/03/12/after-tr... [2] https://www.ontario.ca/page/2019-novel-coronavirus#section-0 https://www.ontario.ca/page/2019-novel-coronavirus#section-0 (note: how travel + country name is next to almost every case, even well into March 18th)
- hndamien 7y ago
  Giving the benefit of the doubt, maybe the emphasis was on the "panic" part.
- _-___________-_ 7y ago
  It doesn't seem unreasonable, even if it might be unhelpful. Most kinds of panic are dumb.
zozbot234 7y ago
Chloroquine is already on the WHO list of 'essential medicines', and can be made very cheaply as a generic. Any shortages would be quite temporary indeed; the last thing you want to do in such circumstances is suppress latent demand for it and repeat the whole masks/respirators/hand sanitizer fiasco.
- dmix 7y ago
  That doesn't mean much to the people with Lupus having their pharmacist tell them it's on "backorder", far less than not having hand sanitizer. One would hope it's only temporary. On the brighter side, France has a company promising to produce millions of doses: > French manufacturer Sanofi has said it could hypothetically offer enough doses of Plaquenil - a drug containing the molecule hydroxychloroquine - to treat up to 300,000 people if necessary. https://www.connexionfrance.com/French-news/French-lab-Sanofi-hypothetically-offers-millions-of-doses-of-potential-Covid-19-Plaquenil-anti-malaria-drug https://www.connexionfrance.com/French-news/French-lab-Sanof... Not sure what the status is on other generic pharma companies who produce it. I know Teva produces chloroquine, but not hydroxychloroquine (Plaquenil) which is apparently "3x more effective" with coronavirus, and is mostly based in the US (NJ). I'm sure they've all been aware of this since February at a minimum when it first made the rounds as a possible treatment.
  - zozbot234 7y ago
    > That doesn't mean much to the people with Lupus having their pharmacist tell them it's on "backorder" Well, we'd have to choose between telling the people with Lupus that, and telling the folks with SARS-CoV-2 the same thing, except even worse (because suppliers have not had a chance to react to that increased demand). Are we sure that the former is preferable?
    - dmix 7y ago
      The question is typically between hoarders and people who need it, at least in the context of a popular figure tweeting about it. It's available in many countries over the counter, so you can't be sure it will only be purchased with a predefined need.
scarejunba 7y ago
That's just bureaucracy in the West. I have contacts in the East who got me Lariago-DS. Super cheap to manufacture, super compact, easy to ship. In fact, it's in plentiful supply. Just not in the West because you have a customs wall. Drop the wall and you'll have your drugs in days. If you have 'backorders' for your Lupus patients, then you've already failed at something trivial to solve.