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You can't control every agent in the world. You literally have to have a tolerance for the existence of a few stupid ones.

munk-a 7y ago
You can avoid stoking the flames and creating scapegoats. Just for reference when the Nazi party initially started to scapegoat Jewish and Romani people they used disease and hygiene concerns as an early way to paint people poorly and it's hellishly effective - blaming "mexicans taking jobs" is a pretty weak (relatively) scapegoating when compared to "mexican rapists" and trying to play to actors that may be causing a more personal harm. Painting the disease as being Chinese/Jewish/Romani is sort of the ultimate scapegoating - people feel personal pain from seeing sickness in their community and have no direct way to see that the attribution of that sickness to a people group is entirely bullsh. Dogwhistling for racism isn't an innocent action and deserves no understanding, it is hate filled and driven out of self-interest by those doing it.
- dvt 7y ago
  > Just for reference when the Nazi party... This is an absolutely insane analogy -- not to mention grossly off-base. No one is scapegoating the Chinese people (or, even less so, Americans that happen to have Asian ancestry). Calling it the "Chinese Virus" simply points to its geographic source, i.e. Wuhan, China.
  - huanwin 7y ago
    > insane analogy Yeah, Godwin's Law strikes again. Not everything is literally Hitler. > This is an extreme, uncited, and frankly inflammatory extrapolation. There have been only a handful of such attacks -- I believe 5-ish (reported by The New Yorker and CNN).[0] So nobody is doing this? Or have there been incidents that you yourself have previously acknowledged? I tried civilly engaging in discourse with you earlier[1]. But now it seems like you're arguing with people just to argue, not to actually discuss these topics. Also, you can correct people who are mistaken about where it originated without saying "Chinese flu". E.g. "actually, the coronavirus originated in China". I remarked on this to another user who said they just wanted to stick to the facts about its origins.[2] If you're intent on making sure China is regarded as the source and/or culprit, you can emphasize further by adding something like, "and that's why the majority of cases and deaths from [coronavirus/covid-19] were in China. It started there." And that can be said perfectly fine without "Chinese virus". [0]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22621821 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22621821 [1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22622069 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22622069 [2]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22622774 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22622774
    - dvt 7y ago
      No disrespect intended, but I don't get in debates with brand new anonymous HN accounts that have solely commented on threads that deal with the topic at hand.
      - huanwin 7y ago
        A false exaggeration about me but an understandable policy. Thanks for giving me the benefit of the doubt regarding being a shill. Have a nice day.

munk-a 7y ago

You can avoid stoking the flames and creating scapegoats. Just for reference when the Nazi party initially started to scapegoat Jewish and Romani people they used disease and hygiene concerns as an early way to paint people poorly and it's hellishly effective - blaming "mexicans taking jobs" is a pretty weak (relatively) scapegoating when compared to "mexican rapists" and trying to play to actors that may be causing a more personal harm. Painting the disease as being Chinese/Jewish/Romani is sort of the ultimate scapegoating - people feel personal pain from seeing sickness in their community and have no direct way to see that the attribution of that sickness to a people group is entirely bullsh. Dogwhistling for racism isn't an innocent action and deserves no understanding, it is hate filled and driven out of self-interest by those doing it.

dvt 7y ago
> Just for reference when the Nazi party... This is an absolutely insane analogy -- not to mention grossly off-base. No one is scapegoating the Chinese people (or, even less so, Americans that happen to have Asian ancestry). Calling it the "Chinese Virus" simply points to its geographic source, i.e. Wuhan, China.
- huanwin 7y ago
  > insane analogy Yeah, Godwin's Law strikes again. Not everything is literally Hitler. > This is an extreme, uncited, and frankly inflammatory extrapolation. There have been only a handful of such attacks -- I believe 5-ish (reported by The New Yorker and CNN).[0] So nobody is doing this? Or have there been incidents that you yourself have previously acknowledged? I tried civilly engaging in discourse with you earlier[1]. But now it seems like you're arguing with people just to argue, not to actually discuss these topics. Also, you can correct people who are mistaken about where it originated without saying "Chinese flu". E.g. "actually, the coronavirus originated in China". I remarked on this to another user who said they just wanted to stick to the facts about its origins.[2] If you're intent on making sure China is regarded as the source and/or culprit, you can emphasize further by adding something like, "and that's why the majority of cases and deaths from [coronavirus/covid-19] were in China. It started there." And that can be said perfectly fine without "Chinese virus". [0]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22621821 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22621821 [1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22622069 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22622069 [2]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22622774 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22622774
  - dvt 7y ago
    No disrespect intended, but I don't get in debates with brand new anonymous HN accounts that have solely commented on threads that deal with the topic at hand.
    - huanwin 7y ago
      A false exaggeration about me but an understandable policy. Thanks for giving me the benefit of the doubt regarding being a shill. Have a nice day.