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If my new employer bails, I might consider this. But I would probably try to find a new new job before then. Also, my boss wanted me to confirm 3 times what my

by Rebles 7y ago

If my new employer bails, I might consider this. But I would probably try to find a new new job before then. Also, my boss wanted me to confirm 3 times what my last day would be, because, once he put it in the system, his hands were tied. I guess the LDO (Last day of office) process is pretty streamlined to tie up all the loose ends: halting pay checks, revoking unvested RSUs, stopping medical benefits, revoking user entitlements, etc.

earthtourist 7y ago
Not a lawyer, but I wonder if you couldn't sue if they withdraw the offer. Seems like a case of detrimental reliance or promissory estoppel. Again, not a lawyer and surely depends on which jurisdiction you're in. Also, you could post on HN if they do withdraw the offer during this outbreak, so other people would know they suck.
- nogabebop23 7y ago
  >> Also, you could post on HN if they do withdraw the offer during this outbreak, so other people would know they suck. So every company that lays off an employee "sucks"? I guess you're welcome to stay and work for free, but if they don't have money to pay you what are they supposed to do? I agree this situation is terrible for the OP, but I don't think we need to name and shame every company that makes a prudent decision as the world moves in a abad direction...
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  - OJFord 7y ago
    GP said that in reference to rescinding a job offer after notice given, new job accepted, and old job left, not a 'layoff' exactly.
  - true_religion 7y ago
    Personally, I think employment in the US should look more like it does in Europe. People rely on work to survive, and shouldn’t be fireable easily, and unemployment should cover at least 75% of your previous salary.
    - drakonka 7y ago
      I am in Europe; here it is common to have a probation period. After this period it is less easy to fire someone, but during the period they can do pretty much anything. So if you happen to be switching jobs right in the middle of an economic crisis there is not much security. In addition, in my country you get your salary covered up to 80% if you pay for extra unemployment insurance. I was stupid and did not sign up for this earlier - and you have to be a member for 12 months to get the benefit. If you do not have unemployment insurance or have not been a member for 12 months, you get <900 USD per month (where I live this is not enough to make rent).
- gridspy 7y ago
  Many tech jobs start with a 3 month "fire at will" period. They might just give the OP one day and then fire. I hope it works out though.
  - lozaning 7y ago
    And in most US states that never changes. You can generally be fired without cause all the time. I've got a 4 year record of bi annual performance reviews where I've gotten 120% of the available performance based bonus, but I dont have tenure or anything. If my boss decides he hates my shoes and fires me, Im gone.
    - listenallyall 7y ago
      In a weird way, getting 120% of the available bonus works against you, in terms of demonstrating you're an excellent worker. Clearly, there's more "available" than the stated amount, which demonstrates the whole thing is a fiction to make people feel good. I mean, in the real world, 100% is the maximum of any thing, then there are made-up phrases like "giving 110%" or "8 days a week" or "120% of the available bonus." And of course, if you got 120%, who's to say your co-worker didn't get 150%? Not trying to bust your balls, but it's kind of weird you felt it was necessary to randomly humblebrag about your performance bonuses.
      - wayoutthere 7y ago
        Yeah, once I got on the management side I learned the whole "oh you got 100% of the bonus but our numbers feel off so the bonus pool is only 75% funded so you only get 75%". It's all made up and we have to balance a dozen situations and someone is always going to get screwed. To be honest I usually give bigger bonuses to the people who are already underpaid, which is what I suspect may have happened to GP. It's also why VP and above bonuses are written into our employment contracts -- we know better. Also yeah, definition of "weird flex but ok".
      - rxhernandez 7y ago
        To be fair, I dont think it's a humblebrag. If they worked at the same company as all of us, it might make sense to call it a humblebrag but, there are enough people around here in much better positions than those that get bonuses like these for it to make sense to brag about. That is, I (and probably most people on yc) would feel embarrassed talking about my best accolades when there are people on here that were able to retire by 30, work with Freeman Dyson, or found some successful company. I think they just used themselves as an example to provide the support that their argument wasn't coming from someone who values doing the bare minimum (which I've seen argued on yc a few times).
gscott 7y ago
They have shipped out the laptop I think you're in good shape. Seems like they might pay you for some down time since the can't set you up right away but you're probably be paid for all.

by Rebles 7y ago

earthtourist 7y ago

Not a lawyer, but I wonder if you couldn't sue if they withdraw the offer. Seems like a case of detrimental reliance or promissory estoppel. Again, not a lawyer and surely depends on which jurisdiction you're in. Also, you could post on HN if they do withdraw the offer during this outbreak, so other people would know they suck.

nogabebop23 7y ago
>> Also, you could post on HN if they do withdraw the offer during this outbreak, so other people would know they suck. So every company that lays off an employee "sucks"? I guess you're welcome to stay and work for free, but if they don't have money to pay you what are they supposed to do? I agree this situation is terrible for the OP, but I don't think we need to name and shame every company that makes a prudent decision as the world moves in a abad direction...
- deleted 7y ago
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- OJFord 7y ago
  GP said that in reference to rescinding a job offer after notice given, new job accepted, and old job left, not a 'layoff' exactly.
- true_religion 7y ago
  Personally, I think employment in the US should look more like it does in Europe. People rely on work to survive, and shouldn’t be fireable easily, and unemployment should cover at least 75% of your previous salary.
  - drakonka 7y ago
    I am in Europe; here it is common to have a probation period. After this period it is less easy to fire someone, but during the period they can do pretty much anything. So if you happen to be switching jobs right in the middle of an economic crisis there is not much security. In addition, in my country you get your salary covered up to 80% if you pay for extra unemployment insurance. I was stupid and did not sign up for this earlier - and you have to be a member for 12 months to get the benefit. If you do not have unemployment insurance or have not been a member for 12 months, you get <900 USD per month (where I live this is not enough to make rent).
gridspy 7y ago
Many tech jobs start with a 3 month "fire at will" period. They might just give the OP one day and then fire. I hope it works out though.
- lozaning 7y ago
  And in most US states that never changes. You can generally be fired without cause all the time. I've got a 4 year record of bi annual performance reviews where I've gotten 120% of the available performance based bonus, but I dont have tenure or anything. If my boss decides he hates my shoes and fires me, Im gone.
  - listenallyall 7y ago
    In a weird way, getting 120% of the available bonus works against you, in terms of demonstrating you're an excellent worker. Clearly, there's more "available" than the stated amount, which demonstrates the whole thing is a fiction to make people feel good. I mean, in the real world, 100% is the maximum of any thing, then there are made-up phrases like "giving 110%" or "8 days a week" or "120% of the available bonus." And of course, if you got 120%, who's to say your co-worker didn't get 150%? Not trying to bust your balls, but it's kind of weird you felt it was necessary to randomly humblebrag about your performance bonuses.
    - wayoutthere 7y ago
      Yeah, once I got on the management side I learned the whole "oh you got 100% of the bonus but our numbers feel off so the bonus pool is only 75% funded so you only get 75%". It's all made up and we have to balance a dozen situations and someone is always going to get screwed. To be honest I usually give bigger bonuses to the people who are already underpaid, which is what I suspect may have happened to GP. It's also why VP and above bonuses are written into our employment contracts -- we know better. Also yeah, definition of "weird flex but ok".
    - rxhernandez 7y ago
      To be fair, I dont think it's a humblebrag. If they worked at the same company as all of us, it might make sense to call it a humblebrag but, there are enough people around here in much better positions than those that get bonuses like these for it to make sense to brag about. That is, I (and probably most people on yc) would feel embarrassed talking about my best accolades when there are people on here that were able to retire by 30, work with Freeman Dyson, or found some successful company. I think they just used themselves as an example to provide the support that their argument wasn't coming from someone who values doing the bare minimum (which I've seen argued on yc a few times).

gscott 7y ago

They have shipped out the laptop I think you're in good shape. Seems like they might pay you for some down time since the can't set you up right away but you're probably be paid for all.