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Until you can run MacOS on it, it will always pale in comparison to a Surface pro. You can do some things well on a iPad pro. But you can do anything on a Surf

Until you can run MacOS on it, it will always pale in comparison to a Surface pro. You can do some things well on a iPad pro. But you can do anything on a Surface pro except run MacOS. Well I looked and it looks like some have installed MacOS or used vmware images.

MuffinFlavored 7y ago
> Until you can run MacOS on it Do we think we'll see full blown MacOS/equivalent on iPads in the next 2-3 years?
- mvid 7y ago
  It seems more like they are pulling macOS and iOS together, so we will probably see some hybrid of both on both devices. Hopefully better than the Windows implementation though
- apozem 7y ago
  They don't want the legacy UI and code of macOS, they want iPadOS to be good enough that you don't need a Mac. Hence why the last couple years of iPadOS have been covering more and more use cases. As a frontend web developer, I would love for them to cover my use case. A native terminal and desktop browser tools in iPadOS would get me to ditch my MacBook Pro in a heartbeat.
  - philsnow 7y ago
    Feels a lot like ChromeOS: declare bankruptcy on a lot of the userspace cruft that's accumulated over the decades
pwthornton 7y ago
This would ruin the iPad. MacOS is a great windowing OS. It’s not made for touchscreens. MS has been doing this weird dance where they tried to smoosh two OSes together and created one bad OS. The absolute worst was when Windows 8 first came out, and I keep accidentally getting into tablet mode on my non-touch screen laptop. Apple is taking the correct course which is to build a new OS from the ground up and adding power. MS made gigantic missteps by trying to force a windowing OS to support touch. Both are somewhat meeting in the middle, and now Surfaces have gotten pretty decent, but they started out bad. The other thing to remember is that people buy tablets for touch, and Surface Pros are pretty decent laptop replacements but still so-so as an actual tablet.
- birdyrooster 7y ago
  Could you imagine "macOS" mode in iPad OS? It's simple: app screens in iPad OS turn into windows on macOS and vice versa in a easy to understand way. It remembers the window positioning and screen ordering as you switch between modes. The mouse automatically is added and removed when you switch between modes. It would not ruin the iPad, it would ruin Apple's bottom line.
  - wlesieutre 7y ago
    Macs aren't even 10% of Apple's revenue, so it can't do that much to their bottom line. I don't think that would be a great experience, but if it made the iPad into a stronger competitor to Surface Pro and similar Windows convertibles, it might bring in enough new business to counteract any drop in Mac sales. Apple has their Handoff feature for moving program state from one device to another, maybe that could be adapted for on-device handoff between a Mac and iPadOS version of the same software.
    - wlesieutre 7y ago
      Another thought on this - Apple's push to state driven interfaces with SwiftUI would make it a lot easier, provided the Mac and iPad versions are structured in the same way. Which they probably will be because there are maybe three development shops that will spend any time thinking about how to make their Mac interface better optimized for a destktop OS. Still not saying this is a good idea, but it's an idea. Wouldn't be surprised if Apple were exploring it internally.
- bleachedsleet 7y ago
  May I ask how you manage to get into tablet mode unintentionally? I've never experienced this issue and it was my understanding that this is only possible to switch over by opening the action center and turning it on...both very deliberate actions that seem hard to do by accident. I'm not being sarcastic either, though. I work in a repair shop and one of the most common things people bring their devices in for is they accidentally put their device in tablet mode and have no idea what they're doing.

MuffinFlavored 7y ago

> Until you can run MacOS on it Do we think we'll see full blown MacOS/equivalent on iPads in the next 2-3 years?

mvid 7y ago
It seems more like they are pulling macOS and iOS together, so we will probably see some hybrid of both on both devices. Hopefully better than the Windows implementation though
apozem 7y ago
They don't want the legacy UI and code of macOS, they want iPadOS to be good enough that you don't need a Mac. Hence why the last couple years of iPadOS have been covering more and more use cases. As a frontend web developer, I would love for them to cover my use case. A native terminal and desktop browser tools in iPadOS would get me to ditch my MacBook Pro in a heartbeat.
- philsnow 7y ago
  Feels a lot like ChromeOS: declare bankruptcy on a lot of the userspace cruft that's accumulated over the decades

pwthornton 7y ago

This would ruin the iPad. MacOS is a great windowing OS. It’s not made for touchscreens. MS has been doing this weird dance where they tried to smoosh two OSes together and created one bad OS. The absolute worst was when Windows 8 first came out, and I keep accidentally getting into tablet mode on my non-touch screen laptop. Apple is taking the correct course which is to build a new OS from the ground up and adding power. MS made gigantic missteps by trying to force a windowing OS to support touch. Both are somewhat meeting in the middle, and now Surfaces have gotten pretty decent, but they started out bad. The other thing to remember is that people buy tablets for touch, and Surface Pros are pretty decent laptop replacements but still so-so as an actual tablet.

birdyrooster 7y ago
Could you imagine "macOS" mode in iPad OS? It's simple: app screens in iPad OS turn into windows on macOS and vice versa in a easy to understand way. It remembers the window positioning and screen ordering as you switch between modes. The mouse automatically is added and removed when you switch between modes. It would not ruin the iPad, it would ruin Apple's bottom line.
- wlesieutre 7y ago
  Macs aren't even 10% of Apple's revenue, so it can't do that much to their bottom line. I don't think that would be a great experience, but if it made the iPad into a stronger competitor to Surface Pro and similar Windows convertibles, it might bring in enough new business to counteract any drop in Mac sales. Apple has their Handoff feature for moving program state from one device to another, maybe that could be adapted for on-device handoff between a Mac and iPadOS version of the same software.
  - wlesieutre 7y ago
    Another thought on this - Apple's push to state driven interfaces with SwiftUI would make it a lot easier, provided the Mac and iPad versions are structured in the same way. Which they probably will be because there are maybe three development shops that will spend any time thinking about how to make their Mac interface better optimized for a destktop OS. Still not saying this is a good idea, but it's an idea. Wouldn't be surprised if Apple were exploring it internally.
bleachedsleet 7y ago
May I ask how you manage to get into tablet mode unintentionally? I've never experienced this issue and it was my understanding that this is only possible to switch over by opening the action center and turning it on...both very deliberate actions that seem hard to do by accident. I'm not being sarcastic either, though. I work in a repair shop and one of the most common things people bring their devices in for is they accidentally put their device in tablet mode and have no idea what they're doing.