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These are totally bullshit things blown out of proportion. These are trials that never went live, and/or weren't even nearly as bad as the uproar make them to b

by pornel 7y ago

These are totally bullshit things blown out of proportion. These are trials that never went live, and/or weren't even nearly as bad as the uproar make them to be. Come on, the Pocket hysteria? It's a bit of JS and a one button you can turn off with two clicks. Pocket is now owned by Mozilla. It's a Firefox feature now, and not any more of "mandatory plugin" than the Sync or Add On Store are. I thought you were at least flipping out about EME, which is a 3rd party code and actually a plug-in. Your central point is valid. There's no need to embellish it with clickbait backed by sources that are clickbait themselves.

ddevault 7y ago
[copied from the same thread on Lobsters] All of these things went live to end-users, without informed consent. Some of this is still live today. I'll kindly ask you to quit the bullshit.
- cycloptic 7y ago
  So... then disable them using the instructions on that github gist that you already linked? What exactly is the gripe here? There is no need for a fork when you've already disseminated the information needed to rectify the problem. I don't know what else anyone would consider adequate -- web advertising and tracking is not going to magically go away or diminish just because browsers have less features. Focus on one thing at a time, please.
  - JohnFen 7y ago
    > I don't know what else anyone would consider adequate I'd consider opt-in rather than opt-out to be adequate.
    - cycloptic 7y ago
      This is splitting hairs. You can easily use (or make) a downstream distribution of Firefox where that is the case. No forking required, just ship a default config. This still would be a reasonable course of action even if your real concern is what is adequate for the wider community, not just for yourself. Threatening to switch to another browser isn't going to help because anything you switch to at this point is going to be a fork of Chrome or Firefox, probably with additional ads and tracking added from the other downstream vendor. Like it or not this is the funding model of the web. Edit: I haven't checked in a while but I believe there are actually already several privacy-focused forks of these browsers that ship with the default configs changed to remove ads and tracking, among other things.
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by pornel 7y ago

ddevault 7y ago

[copied from the same thread on Lobsters] All of these things went live to end-users, without informed consent. Some of this is still live today. I'll kindly ask you to quit the bullshit.

cycloptic 7y ago
So... then disable them using the instructions on that github gist that you already linked? What exactly is the gripe here? There is no need for a fork when you've already disseminated the information needed to rectify the problem. I don't know what else anyone would consider adequate -- web advertising and tracking is not going to magically go away or diminish just because browsers have less features. Focus on one thing at a time, please.
- JohnFen 7y ago
  > I don't know what else anyone would consider adequate I'd consider opt-in rather than opt-out to be adequate.
  - cycloptic 7y ago
    This is splitting hairs. You can easily use (or make) a downstream distribution of Firefox where that is the case. No forking required, just ship a default config. This still would be a reasonable course of action even if your real concern is what is adequate for the wider community, not just for yourself. Threatening to switch to another browser isn't going to help because anything you switch to at this point is going to be a fork of Chrome or Firefox, probably with additional ads and tracking added from the other downstream vendor. Like it or not this is the funding model of the web. Edit: I haven't checked in a while but I believe there are actually already several privacy-focused forks of these browsers that ship with the default configs changed to remove ads and tracking, among other things.

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