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1 mm key length is not enough. they should have 2011 style keyboards still.

chipotle_coyote 7y ago
1mm of key travel (not "length") is what they have in the external keyboards they've been selling since 2015, and it's just fine. While this is obviously subjective, I'd argue it's the best keyboard Apple has made since the days of the Apple Extended keyboards. The 2011 laptop keyboards are the same keyboards they used up until the butterfly switches, they don't have as nice a "feel" as the Magic Keyboards, and it's not as if they have a lot more key travel, anyway -- only about 1.3mm.
- abledon 7y ago
  "30 %" seems like a good amount more. also https://twitter.com/variety/status/1226710675554091008 https://twitter.com/variety/status/1226710675554091008 every year they get worse
  - chipotle_coyote 7y ago
    I mean, okay, percentage-wise you're absolutely correct, and if you subjectively feel that the difference between 1.3mm and 1.0mm key travel is the difference between typing bliss and "might as well not be moving at all," who am I to tell you otherwise. For me, subjectively, the Magic Keyboard is the nicest-feeling "low travel" keyboard I've ever used, and as a technical writer and a novelist on the side who has a closet full of mechanical keyboards I'm pretty picky about my keys. Do I think the Matias Tactile Pro keyboard that I'm typing on at this very moment and the Vortex Race 3 with Cherry MX Clears that's usually my office keyboard are better? Yes. Do I want a laptop with them? No, in fact, I do not. Do I want a laptop with what I consider to be the nicest-feeling "low travel" keyboard I've ever used? Yeah, that sounds kinda nice. As always, your mileage may vary, and if you're willing to go back to having inch and a half thick laptops so you can get in that awesome mechanical clicky monster, more power to you. > every year they get worse So you are saying that the Magic Keyboard, with its 1mm travel, has too low key travel, but it is also worse than last year's butterfly keyboard with 0.7mm key travel? The keyboard you prefer may be subjective, but math is not.
    - ksec 7y ago
      The key travel has absolutely nothing to do with the thickness of the current MacBook as proven by many other vendors. It was a compromise / invention for the MacBook 12" which was light weight and thin. And the despite the small difference, Magic Keyboard felt the same as the Butterfly keyboard. It is similar enough to group them in the same Category while the old Scissors keyboard being a different one.

1mm of key travel (not "length") is what they have in the external keyboards they've been selling since 2015, and it's just fine. While this is obviously subjective, I'd argue it's the best keyboard Apple has made since the days of the Apple Extended keyboards. The 2011 laptop keyboards are the same keyboards they used up until the butterfly switches, they don't have as nice a "feel" as the Magic Keyboards, and it's not as if they have a lot more key travel, anyway -- only about 1.3mm.

abledon 7y ago
"30 %" seems like a good amount more. also https://twitter.com/variety/status/1226710675554091008 https://twitter.com/variety/status/1226710675554091008 every year they get worse
- chipotle_coyote 7y ago
  I mean, okay, percentage-wise you're absolutely correct, and if you subjectively feel that the difference between 1.3mm and 1.0mm key travel is the difference between typing bliss and "might as well not be moving at all," who am I to tell you otherwise. For me, subjectively, the Magic Keyboard is the nicest-feeling "low travel" keyboard I've ever used, and as a technical writer and a novelist on the side who has a closet full of mechanical keyboards I'm pretty picky about my keys. Do I think the Matias Tactile Pro keyboard that I'm typing on at this very moment and the Vortex Race 3 with Cherry MX Clears that's usually my office keyboard are better? Yes. Do I want a laptop with them? No, in fact, I do not. Do I want a laptop with what I consider to be the nicest-feeling "low travel" keyboard I've ever used? Yeah, that sounds kinda nice. As always, your mileage may vary, and if you're willing to go back to having inch and a half thick laptops so you can get in that awesome mechanical clicky monster, more power to you. > every year they get worse So you are saying that the Magic Keyboard, with its 1mm travel, has too low key travel, but it is also worse than last year's butterfly keyboard with 0.7mm key travel? The keyboard you prefer may be subjective, but math is not.
  - ksec 7y ago
    The key travel has absolutely nothing to do with the thickness of the current MacBook as proven by many other vendors. It was a compromise / invention for the MacBook 12" which was light weight and thin. And the despite the small difference, Magic Keyboard felt the same as the Butterfly keyboard. It is similar enough to group them in the same Category while the old Scissors keyboard being a different one.