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While I agree with the logic you present, you don't really disprove the US-first mentality OP is mentioning. Which is pretty fucked up approach for anybody outs

While I agree with the logic you present, you don't really disprove the US-first mentality OP is mentioning. Which is pretty fucked up approach for anybody outside of US (like it or not, its 95% of the mankind). Where would this finish? Should we treat only US persons (a number which is rising exponentially just like anywhere else), and only after this is fully covered should we care about the rest? You might have not intended to make it look that way, but after what Trump pulled (yet again) with trying to bribe German company to produce vaccine ONLY for Americans (German government confirms that, so I have 0 doubt its true), he pissed most of the world pretty badly with this selfish approach. I get it, he has absolutely 0 morals and would sell his mother for profit, but this is lower than low. This is a global problem, and we need to treat it as such. US specific ones will simply get little support from elsewhere. Just like nobody would expect too much US participation in solving mainly Lithuania issues.

ajross 7y ago
> you don't really disprove the US-first mentality OP is mentioning. Not the grandparent, but I don't think that was the point. We're out of time to finesse ideal planning. We need hardware. Now. Ventilators are hardware. A device in the US means the US doesn't need to source it from somewhere else, and at the end of the day it's likely to save a few lives somewhere, and that matters. I mean, sure, maybe your compatriot volunteers are jingoist nutjobs who refuse to make ventilators for anyone but americans. It's time to put that aside and just get stuff done. Also, note the collision of framing: if someone encouraged you to check on your neighbors and shop for them if needed, you wouldn't refuse to do that because other neighborhoods might need the help more, right?
- tensor 7y ago
  But there is a choice, and as a Canadian why on earth would you expect me to work for your reserve supply instead of mine? The US needs a reality check.
  - ajross 7y ago
    I don't know how to answer that. I can tell you that as an American, I might not necessarily want to help with a "Ventilators for Canadians" project (vs. other stuff I could be doing), but I certainly wouldn't argue it shouldn't exist. Get stuff done folks. The time for parochialism has passed, and the time for recriminations and justice must be in the future.
    - yiyus 7y ago
      > but I certainly wouldn't argue it shouldn't exist. Nobody has argued that.
- jstanley 7y ago
  > if someone encouraged you to check on your neighbors and shop for them if needed, you wouldn't refuse to do that because other neighborhoods might need the help more, right? It's more like someone asking me to help their neighbours rather than help my own neighbours. Why should I prefer to help your neighbours than mine?
  - creato 7y ago
    Anyone can create a project on this website. If you want to help your own neighbors and don't feel these help, post a project.

ajross 7y ago

> you don't really disprove the US-first mentality OP is mentioning. Not the grandparent, but I don't think that was the point. We're out of time to finesse ideal planning. We need hardware. Now. Ventilators are hardware. A device in the US means the US doesn't need to source it from somewhere else, and at the end of the day it's likely to save a few lives somewhere, and that matters. I mean, sure, maybe your compatriot volunteers are jingoist nutjobs who refuse to make ventilators for anyone but americans. It's time to put that aside and just get stuff done. Also, note the collision of framing: if someone encouraged you to check on your neighbors and shop for them if needed, you wouldn't refuse to do that because other neighborhoods might need the help more, right?

tensor 7y ago
But there is a choice, and as a Canadian why on earth would you expect me to work for your reserve supply instead of mine? The US needs a reality check.
- ajross 7y ago
  I don't know how to answer that. I can tell you that as an American, I might not necessarily want to help with a "Ventilators for Canadians" project (vs. other stuff I could be doing), but I certainly wouldn't argue it shouldn't exist. Get stuff done folks. The time for parochialism has passed, and the time for recriminations and justice must be in the future.
  - yiyus 7y ago
    > but I certainly wouldn't argue it shouldn't exist. Nobody has argued that.
jstanley 7y ago
> if someone encouraged you to check on your neighbors and shop for them if needed, you wouldn't refuse to do that because other neighborhoods might need the help more, right? It's more like someone asking me to help their neighbours rather than help my own neighbours. Why should I prefer to help your neighbours than mine?
- creato 7y ago
  Anyone can create a project on this website. If you want to help your own neighbors and don't feel these help, post a project.