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This should have started months ago when it hit China to help them. So try to be forward thinking. Don't just think in the now. In Italy some places don't tre

This should have started months ago when it hit China to help them. So try to be forward thinking. Don't just think in the now. In Italy some places don't treat people without families for instance (The excuse is they have no one to care for them after ICU, but we know the real reason) Tinder for fake family's for instance?

Engineering-MD 7y ago
I mean that’s just unhelpful. Caring for patients after ITU is a real challenge and if they are triaging a very limited resource it makes sense to give it those who are likely to survive long term when there isn’t the medical facilities to look after them without family input.
vorpalhex 7y ago
> In Italy some places don't treat people without families for instance This is false and not aligned to the current guidelines[^1] put out for triage of cases. > So try to be forward thinking. Don't just think in the now. People need groceries today. Projects are attempting to fill those gaps we need, not the theoretical ones we might have tomorrow. Sure, you should keep an eye on the future, but you need to address the present. [^1] - PDF WARNING http://www.siaarti.it/SiteAssets/News/COVID19%20-%20documenti%20SIAARTI/SIAARTI%20-%20Covid19%20-%20Raccomandazioni%20di%20etica%20clinica.pdf http://www.siaarti.it/SiteAssets/News/COVID19%20-%20document...
- aaron695 7y ago
  > This is false and not aligned to the current guidelines[^1] put out for triage of cases. "Every time a bed comes free, two anaesthesiologists consult with a specialist in resuscitation and an internal medicine physician to decide who will occupy it. Age and pre-existing medical conditions are important factors. So is having a family. “We have to take into account whether older patients have families who can take care of them once they leave the ICU, because they will need help,” says Marco Resta, deputy head of Policlinico San Donato’s Intensive Care Unit." https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-italy-ethics-speci/special-report-all-is-well-in-italy-triage-and-lies-for-virus-patients-idUSKBN2133KG https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-italy-... What is the false bit? I'm talking about what is happening, not the guidelines.
awb 7y ago
> In Italy some places don't treat people without families for instance This is like those books of morality questions but in real life. No one feels good about the outcome but when there are scarce resources decisions need to be made. That's why we want to "flatten the curve" so we don't have to make as many of these no-win decisions.

Engineering-MD 7y ago

I mean that’s just unhelpful. Caring for patients after ITU is a real challenge and if they are triaging a very limited resource it makes sense to give it those who are likely to survive long term when there isn’t the medical facilities to look after them without family input.

vorpalhex 7y ago

> In Italy some places don't treat people without families for instance This is false and not aligned to the current guidelines[^1] put out for triage of cases. > So try to be forward thinking. Don't just think in the now. People need groceries today. Projects are attempting to fill those gaps we need, not the theoretical ones we might have tomorrow. Sure, you should keep an eye on the future, but you need to address the present. [^1] - PDF WARNING http://www.siaarti.it/SiteAssets/News/COVID19%20-%20documenti%20SIAARTI/SIAARTI%20-%20Covid19%20-%20Raccomandazioni%20di%20etica%20clinica.pdf http://www.siaarti.it/SiteAssets/News/COVID19%20-%20document...

aaron695 7y ago
> This is false and not aligned to the current guidelines[^1] put out for triage of cases. "Every time a bed comes free, two anaesthesiologists consult with a specialist in resuscitation and an internal medicine physician to decide who will occupy it. Age and pre-existing medical conditions are important factors. So is having a family. “We have to take into account whether older patients have families who can take care of them once they leave the ICU, because they will need help,” says Marco Resta, deputy head of Policlinico San Donato’s Intensive Care Unit." https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-italy-ethics-speci/special-report-all-is-well-in-italy-triage-and-lies-for-virus-patients-idUSKBN2133KG https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-italy-... What is the false bit? I'm talking about what is happening, not the guidelines.

awb 7y ago

> In Italy some places don't treat people without families for instance This is like those books of morality questions but in real life. No one feels good about the outcome but when there are scarce resources decisions need to be made. That's why we want to "flatten the curve" so we don't have to make as many of these no-win decisions.