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Zero interest until I can: - use a native build of Firefox without webkit - have low-latency audio - do network troubleshooting with MAC address access - us

Zero interest until I can: - use a native build of Firefox without webkit - have low-latency audio - do network troubleshooting with MAC address access - use VOIP with proper background operation & notification Sorry, Apple, but you created the greatest software/hardware ecosystem in history and then screwed the pooch so badly that you lost me as a customer and a developer.

braythwayt 7y ago
The walled-garden iPad is a direct descendent of the “Computer as Appliance” vision that Jef Raskin had for Macintosh, which Jobs took over and continued to dream about. We can keep complaining about it in 2020, but we certainly shouldn’t suggest that Apple is pulling a U-Turn.
HatchedLake721 7y ago
Oh wow, that's a well managed list of expectations... Do you realise who the iPad is made for and why? Your network troubleshooting with MAC access requirements represents <0.01% of people who would use iPad for that. Just get the right tools for your job (that exist for decades, and have been slimmed to down to portable, few mm devices knows as laptops) and don't expect Apple to suddenly make iPad do everything that your job requires you to do. Apple lost you as a customer and a developer, but it gained few hundred million more, including my parents who now know how to use computers and phones. I don't get people that don't get it.
- wayneftw 7y ago
  You don't get why people who have full control over their current Pro computers wouldn't want to move to a locked down, walled in garden of a "Pro" device? The vast, vast majority of the hundreds of millions of customers they gained with the iPad aren't doing any work that is even remotely similar to what can be done on a general purpose OS. And furthermore, even if they can do some of the same work - they can't do it with nearly the same efficiency. The vast majority of iPad users aren't even doing any work on their iPads. They're consuming. Apple can keep trying to make the iPad appeal to users who need full control over their computer, but it ain't gonna happen until they actually give us full control.
  - HatchedLake721 7y ago
    I get why people wouldn't want to move to a locked down computer. I am a developer/engineer making a living off a MacBook, I'm not moving to iPad. What I meant is, I don't get why people don't understand why Apple doesn't care to their needs of "do network troubleshooting with MAC address access", to extent that they're angry, and say "[Apple] screwed the pooch so badly that you lost me as a customer and a developer". This is unbelievable thing to say, especially in this community. Should I stop using Apple as a customer and developer because they're not bringing out native Kubernetes integration to manage my serverless Knative functions on iPad? ...
cactus2093 7y ago
They screwed the pooch so badly that they’re worth a trillion dollars.
lawtalkinghuman 7y ago
Less space than a Nomad. Lame.

braythwayt 7y ago

The walled-garden iPad is a direct descendent of the “Computer as Appliance” vision that Jef Raskin had for Macintosh, which Jobs took over and continued to dream about. We can keep complaining about it in 2020, but we certainly shouldn’t suggest that Apple is pulling a U-Turn.

HatchedLake721 7y ago

Oh wow, that's a well managed list of expectations... Do you realise who the iPad is made for and why? Your network troubleshooting with MAC access requirements represents <0.01% of people who would use iPad for that. Just get the right tools for your job (that exist for decades, and have been slimmed to down to portable, few mm devices knows as laptops) and don't expect Apple to suddenly make iPad do everything that your job requires you to do. Apple lost you as a customer and a developer, but it gained few hundred million more, including my parents who now know how to use computers and phones. I don't get people that don't get it.

wayneftw 7y ago
You don't get why people who have full control over their current Pro computers wouldn't want to move to a locked down, walled in garden of a "Pro" device? The vast, vast majority of the hundreds of millions of customers they gained with the iPad aren't doing any work that is even remotely similar to what can be done on a general purpose OS. And furthermore, even if they can do some of the same work - they can't do it with nearly the same efficiency. The vast majority of iPad users aren't even doing any work on their iPads. They're consuming. Apple can keep trying to make the iPad appeal to users who need full control over their computer, but it ain't gonna happen until they actually give us full control.
- HatchedLake721 7y ago
  I get why people wouldn't want to move to a locked down computer. I am a developer/engineer making a living off a MacBook, I'm not moving to iPad. What I meant is, I don't get why people don't understand why Apple doesn't care to their needs of "do network troubleshooting with MAC address access", to extent that they're angry, and say "[Apple] screwed the pooch so badly that you lost me as a customer and a developer". This is unbelievable thing to say, especially in this community. Should I stop using Apple as a customer and developer because they're not bringing out native Kubernetes integration to manage my serverless Knative functions on iPad? ...

cactus2093 7y ago

They screwed the pooch so badly that they’re worth a trillion dollars.

lawtalkinghuman 7y ago

Less space than a Nomad. Lame.