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This makes me feel gross. I know what they're doing is totally legal, but it just feels wrong in this circumstance.

roywiggins 7y ago
That's because it's deeply immoral!
1996 7y ago
As I said before, I want to see which jury will convict them for counterfeiting! The manufacturer may threaten, huff and puff, but juries are filled with human, who will feel same same wrongness we do. In theory, everybody cares about FDA certification and all the legal details like HIPPA and stuff. In practice, when SHTF ie in a situation like 9/11, most humans beings seem to do the best they can with what they have. No one should refuse to act just by fear of being sued for doing something, when inaction will guarantee the death of other human beings. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22590069 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22590069
- adrianN 7y ago
  I'm not familiar with the Italian legal system, but I would be surprised if a patent dispute goes before a jury.
  - anticensor 7y ago
    Italian criminal courts implement bench trial, not jury trial.
sneak 7y ago
IP laws are wrong in all circumstances. I don’t owe anyone money for singing a song, nor when I print a shape, nor when I photograph a painting, nor when I give a friend a book.
- hdjejdjd 7y ago
  Laws against homicide are wrong in all circumstances. Killing someone while defending myself against rape is not wrong.
  - vincnetas 7y ago
    It is. I think this has something to do with https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proportionality_(law) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proportionality_(law) or at least concept is similar. You cant intentionaly kill someone because he tries to rape you.
    - rolph 7y ago
      depends on where you are
    - tropo 7y ago
      That depends on where you live. In many places, the law doesn't punish victims for self-defense. You certainly can kill a person who is attacking you. In a few places, notably Texas, it is legal to kill a person to stop a theft or to recover stolen property, as long as there is no non-lethal way to do so.
      - vincnetas 7y ago
        Yes i stand corrected. I had my country LT in mind. But as you self write “ as long as there is no non-lethal way to do so.” Same probabbly for rape. If guy trying to commit rape changes his mind just by seeing a gun, and stops, it would be illegal for you just to open fire and kill him.
        tropo 7y ago
        Legal standards vary. In most of the USA, he probably could be shot. In nearly all of the USA, he could be shot if he were in the victim's home. Most states do not have a duty to flee when in the home, and the attacker's continued presence is considered a threat. Only in Vermont and Washington, D.C. is there a duty to attempt to flee when in the home. Outside the home, in most states he probably could be shot, at least if he weren't clearly departing. He can't just stay there being a threat. There is no duty for the victim to attempt to flee, even if outside the home. An interesting case involves a purse snatcher in a Texas parking lot. A bystander pulled out a huge revolver with a laser sight, fired, and killed the purse snatcher to recover the purse. It was legal.
ChrisCinelli 7y ago
Legal is a low standard. If something is legal to do does not mean it is ethical to do. I guess they are not in consumer space and donate valves would not have any real return.

That's because it's deeply immoral!

1996 7y ago

As I said before, I want to see which jury will convict them for counterfeiting! The manufacturer may threaten, huff and puff, but juries are filled with human, who will feel same same wrongness we do. In theory, everybody cares about FDA certification and all the legal details like HIPPA and stuff. In practice, when SHTF ie in a situation like 9/11, most humans beings seem to do the best they can with what they have. No one should refuse to act just by fear of being sued for doing something, when inaction will guarantee the death of other human beings. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22590069 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22590069

adrianN 7y ago
I'm not familiar with the Italian legal system, but I would be surprised if a patent dispute goes before a jury.
- anticensor 7y ago
  Italian criminal courts implement bench trial, not jury trial.

sneak 7y ago

IP laws are wrong in all circumstances. I don’t owe anyone money for singing a song, nor when I print a shape, nor when I photograph a painting, nor when I give a friend a book.

hdjejdjd 7y ago
Laws against homicide are wrong in all circumstances. Killing someone while defending myself against rape is not wrong.
- vincnetas 7y ago
  It is. I think this has something to do with https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proportionality_(law) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proportionality_(law) or at least concept is similar. You cant intentionaly kill someone because he tries to rape you.
  - rolph 7y ago
    depends on where you are
  - tropo 7y ago
    That depends on where you live. In many places, the law doesn't punish victims for self-defense. You certainly can kill a person who is attacking you. In a few places, notably Texas, it is legal to kill a person to stop a theft or to recover stolen property, as long as there is no non-lethal way to do so.
    - vincnetas 7y ago
      Yes i stand corrected. I had my country LT in mind. But as you self write “ as long as there is no non-lethal way to do so.” Same probabbly for rape. If guy trying to commit rape changes his mind just by seeing a gun, and stops, it would be illegal for you just to open fire and kill him.
      - tropo 7y ago
        Legal standards vary. In most of the USA, he probably could be shot. In nearly all of the USA, he could be shot if he were in the victim's home. Most states do not have a duty to flee when in the home, and the attacker's continued presence is considered a threat. Only in Vermont and Washington, D.C. is there a duty to attempt to flee when in the home. Outside the home, in most states he probably could be shot, at least if he weren't clearly departing. He can't just stay there being a threat. There is no duty for the victim to attempt to flee, even if outside the home. An interesting case involves a purse snatcher in a Texas parking lot. A bystander pulled out a huge revolver with a laser sight, fired, and killed the purse snatcher to recover the purse. It was legal.

ChrisCinelli 7y ago

Legal is a low standard. If something is legal to do does not mean it is ethical to do. I guess they are not in consumer space and donate valves would not have any real return.