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DFI GHF51: AMD Ryzen R1000 on a Raspberry Pi Sized Board
- billconan 7y agovery cool! but didn't find pricing info.
- zjra 7y ago"No pricing information was provided for the “preliminary” GHF51, which appears to be headed for a Q3 release. More information may be found on DFI’s product page" [1] http://linuxgizmos.com/raspberry-pi-sized-sbc-is-smallest-ryzen-r1000-based-model-yet/ http://linuxgizmos.com/raspberry-pi-sized-sbc-is-smallest-ry...
- numpad0 7y agoAtom version is $277-$370 on their online shop
- RMPR 7y ago> Status : Preliminary
- hajile 7y agoYou're almost certainly better off with an udoo bolt. It's around 5x5 inches, but with much more IO, a much faster CPU/GPU, and expandable RAM (up to 32gb IIRC) https://www.udoo.org/udoo-bolt/ https://www.udoo.org/udoo-bolt/
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- skavi 7y agoEmbedded R1000 is up to 2/4 Zen cores/threads and 3 Vega CUs in case anyone else was wondering.
- 2bluesc 7y agoI don't understand why they populate MiniPCIe vs an M.2 slot. Anyone know? Only thing I can imagine is the key variants for M.2 are more complicated.
- numpad0 7y agoCompatibility? Something like Iridium radio might still be using miniPCIe. And you wouldn’t want adapters in embedded.
- srcmap 7y agoMiniPCIe allows for adding wifi, network, storage (M.2) and other cards. M.2 limit to only storage.
- XMPPwocky 7y agoM.2 can be used for PCIe (including NVMe, wifi+bt, LTE modems, etc), SATA (storage only), or other weird stuff depending on the keying.
- Const-me 7y agoAfaik large share of embedded WiFi/BT and 3G/4G chips are USB ones?
- throwaway2048 7y agom.2 can have USB lanes aswell
- dagi3d 7y agoAren't there WiFi and Bluetooth cards using the M.2 interface?
- aaronmdjones 7y agoYes. The A/E keys allow for PCIe and USB, among others. My Intel Wireless-AC 8265 WiFi+Bluetooth card is an M.2 22x30 card. Edit: Link: https://www.scan.co.uk/products/intel-8265ng-dual-band-m2-2230-ngff-867mbit-s-wifi-2x2-plus-buetooth-42-oem https://www.scan.co.uk/products/intel-8265ng-dual-band-m2-22...
- chx 7y agohttp://linuxgizmos.com/files/dfi_ghf51_block.jpg http://linuxgizmos.com/files/dfi_ghf51_block.jpg this block diagram makes no sense USB 3.1 Gen 2 output made up from ... a Gen 1 and an USB 2.0 link? That's not possible you need to feed Gen 2 signals into the socket to get Gen 2 signals. While the USB standard is a mess, this is crystal clear: Gen 1 is 5gpbs and Gen 2 is 10gbps.
- tpolzer 7y agoThat's a typo on the diagram. The R1000 processors have Gen2 built in (and you always need both USB 3 and 2 - which explains the two arrows in the diagram).
- cyberjunkie 7y agoOh wow, DFI!? Where have they been?
- miffy900 7y agoI remember I made a mini-ITX LANParty build back in 2010. Worked great for so long until I upgraded in 2016. So disappointed when they exited the mainstream consumer MB market.
- RMPR 7y agoI don't really have a good experience with boards, speaking for the electronic side of things, but it seems it'll need an additional cooling system, no?
- cnxsoft 7y agoThere's a heat spreader (See quick reference on website)
- adammunich 7y agoI don't get why all these "industrial" boards don't also put their USB on pin headers. All the standard USB connectors are not vibration proof at all, and cannot be used reliably in an industrial setting.
- baybal2 7y agoThat stuff is usually done custom order first, for an individual setup, and remaining stock is sold on open market. So if somebody needs some odd port setup, it's then carried on to boards sold on mass market. Taiwanese used that "dual track" trick for a long time. Have B2B clients pay for RnD, and tooling, and then make money for free on it in OEM side of your business.
- barrkel 7y ago"Dual track" is how most enterprise SaaS fund feature development, especially in the early days.
- ctz 7y agoStub length.
- joshvm 7y agoYou can build an enclosure with tapped holes to accept locking USB cables. Very common for camera systems. Also providing a USB header on a high-speed expansion header is standard in the 96 Boards spec I think. https://www.96boards.org/specifications/ https://www.96boards.org/specifications/
- BubRoss 7y agoCustomer keyboard people will sometimes buy outrageously priced aviation connector cables. The ends though are cheap and work well. A custom connection would not be too hard to make so that the actual USB plug isn't where force is being applied. I've done the hack version and just super glued the start of a cable coming from a keyboard to a case so that the actual connection wasn't stressed. It might be better if they made it easier but it is a problem that can be solved.
- kbumsik 7y agoIt's cool to see more Ryzen embedded boards on the market. Wondering how the price will be, when Ryzen V series was terribly expensive. However, no NVMe, no regular PCIe, no even a single SATA port...Lack of IO is a serious dealbreaker to me. Feels like it's wasting the CPU's capabilities. I know there must be compromises for the RPi size, but the size itself is already compromised because it requires a cooling system, at least a big heatsink, on the back of the board. This company is hiding it. I would go for an Odroid H2 for now.
- dheera 7y agoI also wish these types of boards (including the Pi itself) would move away from USB-C ports and barrel jacks and move to something a little more suited for industrial embedded purposes. Anything from an XT30 to JST-EH to Molex Mini-Fit Jr. would do. USB-C ports are flimsy and I've had many just snap right off the board, especially given the massively long cantilevers that most USB-C cables are. They also massively increase the effective footprint of the board when plugged in. Or at the least, have the USB-C connector but provide something else as an option. I know the Pi can be powered off the GPIO, but it's not ideal as it bypasses all the power filtering circuitry.
- jdietrich 7y agoThe Raspberry Pi is available in an SO-DIMM form factor for embedded applications. https://www.raspberrypi.org/products/compute-module-3-plus/ https://www.raspberrypi.org/products/compute-module-3-plus/
- agloeregrets 7y agoI wish the pi 4 was available in a compute module, it’s a great idea.
- bitwize 7y agoYes, but how will you cool it?
- qaq 7y agocould be a cool companion to iPad Pro for dev work
- jhoechtl 7y agoI would immediately get one of these Pies the moment all the hardware drivers are included in a stock Linux distribution.
- mmsimanga 7y agoI probably would too. Sadly the best use case I have come up with to date is lining up my pi boards neatly in my cupboard.
- Havoc 7y agoSupport for the newer raspberries are being added to the mainline kernel...5.5 version I think?
- pizza234 7y agoARM SBCs are very custom (for example, in RPis, the GPU is actually the main processor...), therefore specialized distros are required for full support. If the target is full support with standard distros, then one needs to go for x86 SBCs. As far as I know, the only (relatively) cheap one is the ODROID H2.
- Havoc 7y ago>therefore specialized distros are required for full support. Once the 5.5 kernel gets wider support I suspect this won't be an issue anymore. Ubuntu already supports ARM and with kernel support on the way it's only a matter of time. >in RPis, the GPU is actually the main processor. huh?
- abubaqar112 7y agoI am legitimately curious to see if you believe that the PI is suited to actual industrial applications in terms of its reliability (filesystem etc...) and low cost design? Maybe I'm defining industrial as something a lot more PLC based vs something akin to 'monitor the temperature in the warehouse' of course - when I hear industrial, I immediately think steel mills or manufacturing plants. I would strongly hesitate to recommend the Pi for anything situation where 99% reliability (or above) was required unless I understood the domain back to front and could cover all the failure cases such as the expected operating environment ranges (temperature, power quality, EMI etc...).
- snvzz 7y agoIt will probably not be cheap or widely available, as their other boards don't even list a price. A quotation is needed. Sigh. Hopefully somebody else will do this properly.
- bityard 7y agoIs no one else going to mention the fact that the link uses an untrusted certificate authority? Did everyone just click through it?
- floatboth 7y agoTrusted just fine by Mozilla
- terrycody 7y agoAnyone know if this made into a Retro gaming emulation handheld, will it perform better than a Pi4 or popular Chinese handhelds on the market?