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Im really very tired of people who want to help me to save my life. I am not asking anybody to visit some places, but they don't want me to visit them too. And

Im really very tired of people who want to help me to save my life. I am not asking anybody to visit some places, but they don't want me to visit them too. And thats its basically a global hysteria, global stupidity and what happens when office have so much power to declare a lockdown. So so so stupid.

avs733 7y ago
this entire post is predicated on the assumption that you are an individual actor in society, independent of all others. That assumption is the lie at the heart of so much of human, especially American folly that I don't even know where to start. It isn't even an assumption, it is a belief. It is a belief that no one will change but those with power will gladly abuse. Please grow up.
austhrow743 7y ago
There's no way to guarantee that you wont go to a hospital after getting sick. There's no guarantee you wont go to places afterwards that others have no choice to go to. It's not about saving you from yourself it's about saving others from you.
- treparist 7y ago
  Maybe we should stop treating people like a child? Maybe we don't need to "save" "others" and they can take care of themselves? Maybe we can stop to rely on "something" and start to be more rational? And yee, it will be much better for the economy and much better for ourselves.
  - austhrow743 7y ago
    Adults don't go to the hospital? Fuck off troll.
lmeyerov 7y ago
It isn't about you, especially if you're healthy and below 50. I do care about the people you'll help infect, including my wife who works in a hospital, the elderly in my home, my colleagues, my elderly parents, and plenty of other people I care about. I and others should absolutely go to bat for the health of their loved ones and dependents. It's disappointing technologists interested in building things doesn't get the community aspect of that, but not my fight.
- logicchains 7y ago
  What about the people you care about who lose their jobs, get evicted, lose the businesses they spent years to build, suffer the permanent long-term effects of impoverishment (even temporary periods of unexpected unemployment still have a lasting negative effect on health outcomes)? Or maybe you're in the upper middle class, like most readers here, and don't know what life's like for the restaurant workers, hairdressers and the like who are about to lose their livelihoods. The lockdown is essentially asking the younger generations to make a massive sacrifices to support the older generation that has demonstrated very little willingness to make sacrifices to support the younger generation (accept a slightly lower standard of living to fight climate change).
  - BuckRogers 7y ago
    Without locking down the community early they’ll lose their livelihoods anyway. You can’t create a holocaust and expect there to be no forced shutdown.
  - jlokier 7y ago
    The older generation is not one homegeneous group. There are a lot of impoverished older generation people. No cash, no house or no liquidity, tiny pension if that. Those people are seriously at risk, and there is nothing they could have done for younger people along the lines you have described. Do we treat the impoverished old like their lives don't matter as much, let them die because they happen to be in the same arbitrary statistical grouping as other, unrelated old people you feel could have sacrificed more? Couldn't you come up with a fairer statistical grouping for "could have sacrificed more" at least, e.g. the rich? The younger generation is not a homogeneous group either. Among them are a lot of vulnerable young. People with respiratory problems, reduced lung function, among many other conditions, or lacking physical or mental capacity to look after themselves. Also every young person who needs hospital care for things like dialysis, when hospitals are unable to provide it. Do we just not care about the physically vulnerable young either? The lockdown is about protecting an extremely large number of vulnerable or unlucky people of all kinds. It's that simple. Some of those are children, some young, more middle-aged, and most old, although we are currently not sure how the statistics pan out for middle-aged and below when hospitals are severely overrun.

avs733 7y ago

this entire post is predicated on the assumption that you are an individual actor in society, independent of all others. That assumption is the lie at the heart of so much of human, especially American folly that I don't even know where to start. It isn't even an assumption, it is a belief. It is a belief that no one will change but those with power will gladly abuse. Please grow up.

austhrow743 7y ago

There's no way to guarantee that you wont go to a hospital after getting sick. There's no guarantee you wont go to places afterwards that others have no choice to go to. It's not about saving you from yourself it's about saving others from you.

treparist 7y ago
Maybe we should stop treating people like a child? Maybe we don't need to "save" "others" and they can take care of themselves? Maybe we can stop to rely on "something" and start to be more rational? And yee, it will be much better for the economy and much better for ourselves.
- austhrow743 7y ago
  Adults don't go to the hospital? Fuck off troll.

lmeyerov 7y ago

It isn't about you, especially if you're healthy and below 50. I do care about the people you'll help infect, including my wife who works in a hospital, the elderly in my home, my colleagues, my elderly parents, and plenty of other people I care about. I and others should absolutely go to bat for the health of their loved ones and dependents. It's disappointing technologists interested in building things doesn't get the community aspect of that, but not my fight.

logicchains 7y ago
What about the people you care about who lose their jobs, get evicted, lose the businesses they spent years to build, suffer the permanent long-term effects of impoverishment (even temporary periods of unexpected unemployment still have a lasting negative effect on health outcomes)? Or maybe you're in the upper middle class, like most readers here, and don't know what life's like for the restaurant workers, hairdressers and the like who are about to lose their livelihoods. The lockdown is essentially asking the younger generations to make a massive sacrifices to support the older generation that has demonstrated very little willingness to make sacrifices to support the younger generation (accept a slightly lower standard of living to fight climate change).
- BuckRogers 7y ago
  Without locking down the community early they’ll lose their livelihoods anyway. You can’t create a holocaust and expect there to be no forced shutdown.
- jlokier 7y ago
  The older generation is not one homegeneous group. There are a lot of impoverished older generation people. No cash, no house or no liquidity, tiny pension if that. Those people are seriously at risk, and there is nothing they could have done for younger people along the lines you have described. Do we treat the impoverished old like their lives don't matter as much, let them die because they happen to be in the same arbitrary statistical grouping as other, unrelated old people you feel could have sacrificed more? Couldn't you come up with a fairer statistical grouping for "could have sacrificed more" at least, e.g. the rich? The younger generation is not a homogeneous group either. Among them are a lot of vulnerable young. People with respiratory problems, reduced lung function, among many other conditions, or lacking physical or mental capacity to look after themselves. Also every young person who needs hospital care for things like dialysis, when hospitals are unable to provide it. Do we just not care about the physically vulnerable young either? The lockdown is about protecting an extremely large number of vulnerable or unlucky people of all kinds. It's that simple. Some of those are children, some young, more middle-aged, and most old, although we are currently not sure how the statistics pan out for middle-aged and below when hospitals are severely overrun.