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Not sure why you’re being downvoted here. Everyone knows that there are exclusive cliques and there always will be. If you desperately want to be part of a grou

by enneff 7y ago

Not sure why you’re being downvoted here. Everyone knows that there are exclusive cliques and there always will be. If you desperately want to be part of a group that doesn’t want you, then that’s your problem to overcome.

leereeves 7y ago
> If you desperately want to be part of a group that doesn’t want you, then that’s your problem to overcome. Tell that to the black people who demanded the right to eat in "white" restaurants.
- rrdharan 7y ago
  Wow, so now the nightclub line is a civil rights issue? This is an incredibly ignorant and offensive analogy.
  - leereeves 7y ago
    The restaurant counter was one of the first civil rights issues. Not that different from a nightclub. What's the real difference here? That effectively segregating ugly people is more acceptable than segregating by skin color? The ignorance here is among those who don't understand that people are suffering from this discrimation, and the offense is coming from people who justify and defend it. Nightclubs and TikTok aren't the most important examples of this, but for people who faced discrimination their entire lives, any victory would make life a little easier.
    - kharak 7y ago
      So no group can select their members anymore? Nonsense. A model agency will continue to hire exclusively beautiful people. Top tier universities will remain a club for well doers in the education system. My group of friends remains closed to most everyone else and so does yours. Exclusivity is a necessity for society.
      - leereeves 7y ago
        No one is trying to end "exclusivity". Harvard is still exclusive even though it now admits a whole lot of people they would never have considered 100 years ago. But if a group is excluding people based on innate physical characteristics, maybe they should rethink that.
        kharak 7y ago
        NBA? Football? Hollywood? And as I said, model agencies? Many physical attributes are absolutely relevant for a given context. What we should do, is getting rid of irrelevant and abhorrent discrimination, such as racial selection.
        leereeves 7y ago
        That's a meaningless statement. Bigots of the past all felt their personal prejudices were absolutely relevant, and didn't find the discrimination they practiced at all irrelevant or abhorrent. Society made progress only because people fought against that. They were all accused of fighting against nature, but over time, more people realized those old standards weren't as "natural" as they were once thought to be. Do you imagine we've reached the pinnacle of human social evolution and tolerance? Perhaps we still have similar lessons to learn, and people of the future will consider our behavior as abhorrent as we consider the 1800s.
        kharak 7y ago
        Let's agree to disagree. I'm talking about physical discrimination being not simply valid by the standards of our time, but unavoidable, depending on the context. Short people can't play in the NBA, because they can't compete with bigger players. The only progress that could push society past that, is genetic engineering. Everyone on equal footing or so different, that sport as we know it ceases to exist.
        leereeves 7y ago

by enneff 7y ago

leereeves 7y ago

> If you desperately want to be part of a group that doesn’t want you, then that’s your problem to overcome. Tell that to the black people who demanded the right to eat in "white" restaurants.

rrdharan 7y ago
Wow, so now the nightclub line is a civil rights issue? This is an incredibly ignorant and offensive analogy.
- leereeves 7y ago
  The restaurant counter was one of the first civil rights issues. Not that different from a nightclub. What's the real difference here? That effectively segregating ugly people is more acceptable than segregating by skin color? The ignorance here is among those who don't understand that people are suffering from this discrimation, and the offense is coming from people who justify and defend it. Nightclubs and TikTok aren't the most important examples of this, but for people who faced discrimination their entire lives, any victory would make life a little easier.
  - kharak 7y ago
    So no group can select their members anymore? Nonsense. A model agency will continue to hire exclusively beautiful people. Top tier universities will remain a club for well doers in the education system. My group of friends remains closed to most everyone else and so does yours. Exclusivity is a necessity for society.
    - leereeves 7y ago
      No one is trying to end "exclusivity". Harvard is still exclusive even though it now admits a whole lot of people they would never have considered 100 years ago. But if a group is excluding people based on innate physical characteristics, maybe they should rethink that.
      - kharak 7y ago
        NBA? Football? Hollywood? And as I said, model agencies? Many physical attributes are absolutely relevant for a given context. What we should do, is getting rid of irrelevant and abhorrent discrimination, such as racial selection.
        leereeves 7y ago
        That's a meaningless statement. Bigots of the past all felt their personal prejudices were absolutely relevant, and didn't find the discrimination they practiced at all irrelevant or abhorrent. Society made progress only because people fought against that. They were all accused of fighting against nature, but over time, more people realized those old standards weren't as "natural" as they were once thought to be. Do you imagine we've reached the pinnacle of human social evolution and tolerance? Perhaps we still have similar lessons to learn, and people of the future will consider our behavior as abhorrent as we consider the 1800s.
        kharak 7y ago
        Let's agree to disagree. I'm talking about physical discrimination being not simply valid by the standards of our time, but unavoidable, depending on the context. Short people can't play in the NBA, because they can't compete with bigger players. The only progress that could push society past that, is genetic engineering. Everyone on equal footing or so different, that sport as we know it ceases to exist.
        leereeves 7y ago