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> $100k isn't successful, it's the bare minimum as a professional. As a professional what? Man this place can be a fucking drag sometimes.

rorrr 16y ago
Professional is almost any area that requires either higher education or some hard to learn skill.
- nepenthe 16y ago
  I used to associate professional and one's education or income until I realized that often the most professional people I've encountered don't make much money. Professional to me means excellence at a service for which someone is paid to perform. Improving the human condition or chasing money both attract professionals of a completely different definition.
  - rorrr 16y ago
    It's true, there are idealists out there who don't care for money. However if you're skilled and/or educated, getting $100K shouldn't be a problem. Now getting $500K/year is a much more serious problem. I'm failing to get to that level by just being professional (and good). It requires more of a business type of mindset (or lots of luck).
    - crocowhile 16y ago
      my wife has my same background (PhD molecular biology). a couple of years ago she decided she didn't want to stay in academia for pressure and competition are too high and moved to a company, making 2-3x times as much as she was making before (and than I am making).Funny thing is that the common silent opinion in academia about those like her is that they are dropouts....
      - apl 16y ago
        > Funny thing is that the common silent opinion in > academia about those like her is that they are > dropouts.... Why is it funny? Different strands of people apply different criteria for success. You appear to think it's money (versus time spent working/stress level); others rank academic credentials, willpower or whatever else higher.
oldstrangers 16y ago
$100k might not be "successful" to anyone living in SF or NYC, but in 98% of the rest of the country, it is certainly a nice income. Don't buy into the ego.
- catch23 16y ago
  According to WSJ, the average developer in the bay area makes $99k: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703439504576116192416198636.html?mod=rss_Technology http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142405274870343950457611... So if you're making $100k, you're just making what everyone else is making :-)
  - oldstrangers 16y ago
    You must have missed the part where I said outside of SF and NYC.
  - natch 16y ago
    They must be including part timers and interns, because a normal salary for an experienced engineer is significantly higher.
dgroves 16y ago
Whore, a professional whore - we are all whores; after all we are not girlfriends, we are in it for the money.

rorrr 16y ago

Professional is almost any area that requires either higher education or some hard to learn skill.

nepenthe 16y ago
I used to associate professional and one's education or income until I realized that often the most professional people I've encountered don't make much money. Professional to me means excellence at a service for which someone is paid to perform. Improving the human condition or chasing money both attract professionals of a completely different definition.
- rorrr 16y ago
  It's true, there are idealists out there who don't care for money. However if you're skilled and/or educated, getting $100K shouldn't be a problem. Now getting $500K/year is a much more serious problem. I'm failing to get to that level by just being professional (and good). It requires more of a business type of mindset (or lots of luck).
  - crocowhile 16y ago
    my wife has my same background (PhD molecular biology). a couple of years ago she decided she didn't want to stay in academia for pressure and competition are too high and moved to a company, making 2-3x times as much as she was making before (and than I am making).Funny thing is that the common silent opinion in academia about those like her is that they are dropouts....
    - apl 16y ago
      > Funny thing is that the common silent opinion in > academia about those like her is that they are > dropouts.... Why is it funny? Different strands of people apply different criteria for success. You appear to think it's money (versus time spent working/stress level); others rank academic credentials, willpower or whatever else higher.

oldstrangers 16y ago

$100k might not be "successful" to anyone living in SF or NYC, but in 98% of the rest of the country, it is certainly a nice income. Don't buy into the ego.

catch23 16y ago
According to WSJ, the average developer in the bay area makes $99k: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703439504576116192416198636.html?mod=rss_Technology http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142405274870343950457611... So if you're making $100k, you're just making what everyone else is making :-)
- oldstrangers 16y ago
  You must have missed the part where I said outside of SF and NYC.
- natch 16y ago
  They must be including part timers and interns, because a normal salary for an experienced engineer is significantly higher.

dgroves 16y ago

Whore, a professional whore - we are all whores; after all we are not girlfriends, we are in it for the money.