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Have you seen/tried DPT-S1/DPT-RP1 and if you have, what are your thoughts including compared to reMarkable, because I've been looking at these tablets for many

Have you seen/tried DPT-S1/DPT-RP1 and if you have, what are your thoughts including compared to reMarkable, because I've been looking at these tablets for many many years now (There's even DPT-CP1 now). But because they are all very costly, it's really hard to decide, I did buy DPT-RP1 for ~800€ but because of the high price, I returned it. Also, how often do you need to buy new tips, or do they not wear out? I'm asking because the ones for DPT family are designed in such a way that they wear out. I guess I've always been more on the DPT side, because it's made by Sony, which gives me a feeling of confort, you know, a company with long history. If price wasn't an issue, which would you prefer. rM2 does look much more refined and it is half the price of DPT-RP1 (the Sony website does list the price at ~600$ but sadly the reality is that if you want to buy that in the EU the price is approximately: EU_price = base_price + (base_price*0.22)) And of course the shipping... I really hope rM2 turns out to be an amazing product, because the digital paper market feels very stagnant at the moment. I would love to hear more of your experiences with the device. Thank you, Lots of Love Mortuus

lemming 7y ago
a company with long history To be fair, Sony are a company with a long history of absolutely amazing hardware crippled by comically bad software. The DPT series doesn't even show you the PDF table of contents, last I looked.
- tapia 7y ago
  It does that since the last software update ;)
JadeNB 7y ago
The article links https://techcrunch.com/2017/10/05/sony-and-remarkables-dueling-e-paper-tablets-are-strange-but-impressive-beasts https://techcrunch.com/2017/10/05/sony-and-remarkables-dueli... , which compares the older version of reMarkable to the newer version of the Sony device.
ACS_Solver 7y ago
I've never seen any of Sony's e-ink devices live. I understand that the first ones were pretty disappointing, but I'd like to try the CP1. I have tried the Boox Note 2, which is actually a decent Android tablet, and the tactile feeling of writing is much better than on iPads, but still far below the rM. One marker nib lasts me about 10 weeks, but it seems to be very individual. Some people can write hundreds of pages on a single nib, others need a new one weekly. In any case, I wouldn't say nibs wearing out is a major concern. It would be nice if they didn't wear out, of course, but the design of the nibs seem to be crucial for giving that excellent writing feeling. And yes, these devices are expensive. I'm in the EU myself, and some 400€ is rather steep for upgrading the rM to rM2.
jonahbenton 7y ago
I was a fairly early pre-order for RM1, early enough that I had forgotten about it in the 6 months or so it took after pre-order for me to get it. But as soon as I get the email for RM2 I pre-ordered again. To your point, it is the product the digital paper market has been waiting for. I am an avid hand-writer. I have been a Levenger Circa user for more than 20 years, and basically had a subscription to the Circa paper for the last several years, as I went through so much of it. It took me a while to adjust my workflow and so forth, but I am now a full convert to the RM and think the device and the ecosystem have enormous potential, especially for developers. The RM folks are very dev friendly, though their docs and so forth are poor at present. I take this to be a function of focus/resources rather than intent. The architecture of the software on the device is very good and dev oriented, and the code (what they've released) is well written. The device can run a webserver! The APIs- community documented- for the server-side of the RM platform are minimal but well structured. I was fairly quickly able to dig into them and write some utilities, which work reliably. So I am very optimistic about the ecosystem around these devices. To your questions- I write on the order of 20-30 "pages"/day on the RM, and go through 1 tip maybe every 2 weeks. The writing experience is very comfortable. Adding an "eraser" to the premium RM2 pen addresses the main ergonomic inconvenience. I also use the device for reading PDFs. There are some ergonomic nits there but on the whole it works well. Yes, RM is a new, small biz, but to my eyes they have a great product, a great approach, solid operations, and are developer friendly. I have not used the Sony device, and can't compare it, but I see nothing but good things ahead for RM.
- raihansaputra 7y ago
  Your comment on the device being dev friendly and the fact that you wrote your own utilities is really making me consider to preorder RM2. I saw all these comments and wish I can somehow integrate my own workflow into it.
  - nicoburns 7y ago
    Apparently the CTO is a KDE dev, so it's properly open. Has definitely made me very interested in one too.
  - 7y ago
1996 7y ago
I had both, and returned the remarkable as it was rather unremarkable. By itself it wasn't so bad, but next to a Sony I could feel the difference. Everything just felt better on the Sony- not just the hardware or the software, but the whole product. With some minor fixes (ex: moving the icon from the dropdown menu to the empty space on top of the screen) it could move from outstanding to just perfect.

lemming 7y ago

a company with long history To be fair, Sony are a company with a long history of absolutely amazing hardware crippled by comically bad software. The DPT series doesn't even show you the PDF table of contents, last I looked.

tapia 7y ago
It does that since the last software update ;)

JadeNB 7y ago

The article links https://techcrunch.com/2017/10/05/sony-and-remarkables-dueling-e-paper-tablets-are-strange-but-impressive-beasts https://techcrunch.com/2017/10/05/sony-and-remarkables-dueli... , which compares the older version of reMarkable to the newer version of the Sony device.

ACS_Solver 7y ago

I've never seen any of Sony's e-ink devices live. I understand that the first ones were pretty disappointing, but I'd like to try the CP1. I have tried the Boox Note 2, which is actually a decent Android tablet, and the tactile feeling of writing is much better than on iPads, but still far below the rM. One marker nib lasts me about 10 weeks, but it seems to be very individual. Some people can write hundreds of pages on a single nib, others need a new one weekly. In any case, I wouldn't say nibs wearing out is a major concern. It would be nice if they didn't wear out, of course, but the design of the nibs seem to be crucial for giving that excellent writing feeling. And yes, these devices are expensive. I'm in the EU myself, and some 400€ is rather steep for upgrading the rM to rM2.

jonahbenton 7y ago

I was a fairly early pre-order for RM1, early enough that I had forgotten about it in the 6 months or so it took after pre-order for me to get it. But as soon as I get the email for RM2 I pre-ordered again. To your point, it is the product the digital paper market has been waiting for. I am an avid hand-writer. I have been a Levenger Circa user for more than 20 years, and basically had a subscription to the Circa paper for the last several years, as I went through so much of it. It took me a while to adjust my workflow and so forth, but I am now a full convert to the RM and think the device and the ecosystem have enormous potential, especially for developers. The RM folks are very dev friendly, though their docs and so forth are poor at present. I take this to be a function of focus/resources rather than intent. The architecture of the software on the device is very good and dev oriented, and the code (what they've released) is well written. The device can run a webserver! The APIs- community documented- for the server-side of the RM platform are minimal but well structured. I was fairly quickly able to dig into them and write some utilities, which work reliably. So I am very optimistic about the ecosystem around these devices. To your questions- I write on the order of 20-30 "pages"/day on the RM, and go through 1 tip maybe every 2 weeks. The writing experience is very comfortable. Adding an "eraser" to the premium RM2 pen addresses the main ergonomic inconvenience. I also use the device for reading PDFs. There are some ergonomic nits there but on the whole it works well. Yes, RM is a new, small biz, but to my eyes they have a great product, a great approach, solid operations, and are developer friendly. I have not used the Sony device, and can't compare it, but I see nothing but good things ahead for RM.

raihansaputra 7y ago
Your comment on the device being dev friendly and the fact that you wrote your own utilities is really making me consider to preorder RM2. I saw all these comments and wish I can somehow integrate my own workflow into it.
- nicoburns 7y ago
  Apparently the CTO is a KDE dev, so it's properly open. Has definitely made me very interested in one too.
- 7y ago

1996 7y ago

I had both, and returned the remarkable as it was rather unremarkable. By itself it wasn't so bad, but next to a Sony I could feel the difference. Everything just felt better on the Sony- not just the hardware or the software, but the whole product. With some minor fixes (ex: moving the icon from the dropdown menu to the empty space on top of the screen) it could move from outstanding to just perfect.