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I live in Israel, definitely do not support our PM, and believe this is a crucial measure that will save many lives. The approval is temporary and conditioned.

by avip 7y ago

I live in Israel, definitely do not support our PM, and believe this is a crucial measure that will save many lives. The approval is temporary and conditioned. Israelis are being mind-blowingly disobedient to instructions. Usually it's funny or mildly annoying. This time - deadly. I embrace this temporary dent in our fragile democracy with no hesitation.

ethbro 7y ago
> Israelis are being mind-blowingly disobedient to instructions. To put it delicately, encouraging citizen to homestead on land of questionable ownership... probably isn't the best way to encourage a culture of law abidance.
saagarjha 7y ago
> I embrace this temporary dent in our fragile democracy with no hesitation. Unfortunately, it's temporary exemptions like these that allow the government to chip away at democracy.
einpoklum 7y ago
The approval is not "temoprary and conditioned". This was enacted using legislation from the time of the British colonial occupation of Palestine, which goes against every constitutional principle and assumes basic hostility between the government and the subject populace. The Israeli parliament actually decides, every year, that Israel is in "a state of emergency" (never ending, of course) to prevent some of these powers from expiring. This has been happening mainly for suppressing the Palestinian population and limiting the freedom of the press. It's true that over time, a lot of this has been scaled back (e.g. you no longer need a permit to issue a newspaper). But instead, Israel has adopted new draconian anti-privacy legislation, like the "Big Brother law" of 2008 IIRC, which allows the executive branch to access phone and cellular geo-location records without a search warrant, etc. Also, some of the measures now in place were introduced despite the relevant parliamentary committee for overseeing these matters _rejecting_ fast-track approval, demanding additional information. The government just went ahead and ignored them. It's also convenient that the government is preventing parliament from properly convening (no more than 10 people at a time), and most court sessions from occurring.
- avip 7y ago
  The approval is for 30 days.
  - yyyk 7y ago
    Actually 14 days.
    - einpoklum 7y ago
      I remember the people of Iqrit and Bir'em villages were told to evacuate their village for just a few days, until the battle dies down. 72 years later, they are still not allowed back onto their lands.

by avip 7y ago

ethbro 7y ago

> Israelis are being mind-blowingly disobedient to instructions. To put it delicately, encouraging citizen to homestead on land of questionable ownership... probably isn't the best way to encourage a culture of law abidance.

saagarjha 7y ago

> I embrace this temporary dent in our fragile democracy with no hesitation. Unfortunately, it's temporary exemptions like these that allow the government to chip away at democracy.

einpoklum 7y ago

The approval is not "temoprary and conditioned". This was enacted using legislation from the time of the British colonial occupation of Palestine, which goes against every constitutional principle and assumes basic hostility between the government and the subject populace. The Israeli parliament actually decides, every year, that Israel is in "a state of emergency" (never ending, of course) to prevent some of these powers from expiring. This has been happening mainly for suppressing the Palestinian population and limiting the freedom of the press. It's true that over time, a lot of this has been scaled back (e.g. you no longer need a permit to issue a newspaper). But instead, Israel has adopted new draconian anti-privacy legislation, like the "Big Brother law" of 2008 IIRC, which allows the executive branch to access phone and cellular geo-location records without a search warrant, etc. Also, some of the measures now in place were introduced despite the relevant parliamentary committee for overseeing these matters _rejecting_ fast-track approval, demanding additional information. The government just went ahead and ignored them. It's also convenient that the government is preventing parliament from properly convening (no more than 10 people at a time), and most court sessions from occurring.

avip 7y ago
The approval is for 30 days.
- yyyk 7y ago
  Actually 14 days.
  - einpoklum 7y ago
    I remember the people of Iqrit and Bir'em villages were told to evacuate their village for just a few days, until the battle dies down. 72 years later, they are still not allowed back onto their lands.