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How do you mean that Firefox is struggling? It is not my experience this is so. Everyone around me is ditching Chrome for Firefox. Firefox is also ahead in a f

How do you mean that Firefox is struggling? It is not my experience this is so. Everyone around me is ditching Chrome for Firefox. Firefox is also ahead in a few areas too: containerisation & privacy. It's also now the default browser on a few oses. To me this does not indicate struggling at all.

to11mtm 7y ago
My understanding is that they still struggle from a finance and ops perspective. Doesn't matter how good your product is if you can't keep the doors open...
SEJeff 7y ago
https://gs.statcounter.com/browser-market-share https://gs.statcounter.com/browser-market-share Chrome: 65.54% Firefox: 4.58% Perhaps your sample size of people around you is too small?
- kybernetikos 7y ago
  You might well be right, but I, along with lots of other firefox users run extensions like NoScript which blocks 3rd party javascript unless explicitly whitelisted, so I expect a much higher proportion of firefox users probably don't show up on analytics packages (which is how statcounter stats are generated). DuckDuckGo Privacy essentials plugin also blocks statcounter, as I'm sure do many other privacy related plugins. Even if you are a firefox user who doesn't use third party plugins, firefox itself will block statcounter if you have enhanced tracking protection turned on. I couldn't find a similar setting in Chrome.
  - w0m 7y ago
    I'd think it's a fairly safe bet that noscript users aren't a statistically significant part of total web users
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  - Sohcahtoa82 7y ago
    Unless you're spoofing your User-Agent string, servers still know what browser you're using. You don't need to be running client-side analytics scripts for browser market measurements.
    - kybernetikos 7y ago
      Sure, but that's not how statcounter or most advanced analytics packages work. Your browser doesn't make a request to the analytics server if you're blocking it, so while the content server might know the user agent, the analytics server generally doesn't.
- hvis 7y ago
  The marketshare might not be great, but it's doing just fine technology-wise. No problem in "maintaining a working web browser" there.
  - SEJeff 7y ago
    Oh the tech in firefox is amazing, I'm just pointing out the marketshare is pretty lopsided for Chrome over Firefox. It isn't as though there is actually a mass defection from Chrome to Firefox outside of a very small number of people.
- toper-centage 7y ago
  How many people are 4.5% of the Internet though? Would you close a project because it only has a couple hundred million daily users? Would you cal it a failure?
pjmlp 7y ago
Firefox has long stop being a requirement on the acceptance criteria for Web project delivery. I keep testing it, because it has been my favourite browser all the way back to Netscape days.

to11mtm 7y ago

My understanding is that they still struggle from a finance and ops perspective. Doesn't matter how good your product is if you can't keep the doors open...

SEJeff 7y ago

https://gs.statcounter.com/browser-market-share https://gs.statcounter.com/browser-market-share Chrome: 65.54% Firefox: 4.58% Perhaps your sample size of people around you is too small?

kybernetikos 7y ago
You might well be right, but I, along with lots of other firefox users run extensions like NoScript which blocks 3rd party javascript unless explicitly whitelisted, so I expect a much higher proportion of firefox users probably don't show up on analytics packages (which is how statcounter stats are generated). DuckDuckGo Privacy essentials plugin also blocks statcounter, as I'm sure do many other privacy related plugins. Even if you are a firefox user who doesn't use third party plugins, firefox itself will block statcounter if you have enhanced tracking protection turned on. I couldn't find a similar setting in Chrome.
- w0m 7y ago
  I'd think it's a fairly safe bet that noscript users aren't a statistically significant part of total web users
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- Sohcahtoa82 7y ago
  Unless you're spoofing your User-Agent string, servers still know what browser you're using. You don't need to be running client-side analytics scripts for browser market measurements.
  - kybernetikos 7y ago
    Sure, but that's not how statcounter or most advanced analytics packages work. Your browser doesn't make a request to the analytics server if you're blocking it, so while the content server might know the user agent, the analytics server generally doesn't.
hvis 7y ago
The marketshare might not be great, but it's doing just fine technology-wise. No problem in "maintaining a working web browser" there.
- SEJeff 7y ago
  Oh the tech in firefox is amazing, I'm just pointing out the marketshare is pretty lopsided for Chrome over Firefox. It isn't as though there is actually a mass defection from Chrome to Firefox outside of a very small number of people.
toper-centage 7y ago
How many people are 4.5% of the Internet though? Would you close a project because it only has a couple hundred million daily users? Would you cal it a failure?

pjmlp 7y ago

Firefox has long stop being a requirement on the acceptance criteria for Web project delivery. I keep testing it, because it has been my favourite browser all the way back to Netscape days.