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Ask HN: Help. Covid case at work; remote work is being denied. EU region.

53 points by TYPE-ERROR 7y ago

Hello HN. I'm working at a place where, according to a very credible and personally-detailed report, has had a known positive Covid-19 case. It was later denied. It seems pretty clear what's going on. I'm now seeing my teammates become sick, and still it has been decided that we must not work from home, despite that being possible. It's hard to understand why critical human resources are being put at risk. It's hard to understand why I'm putting up with this. It's hard to understand why I feel like I'm cannot share more details about the situation. I really feel like I need to talk with someone about it. Anyone else? Thank you.

vinhnglx 7y ago
You need to left the company immediately, report the situation to the police and self-isolate yourself when waiting for the next step from the police. Job is not important anymore at this time. This is not a video-game where you can restart everything when you died, this is real. You, all of us, only have one life to live.
bigdict 7y ago
Police?
- deleted 7y ago
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viraptor 7y ago
If you're not allowed to work from home, stop working. Contact your doctor and request relevant paperwork to stop work and go into isolation. (if this is possible in your country - depending on the country, "I've been in contact with a case" may be enough) But also keep in mind that unless you hear a real confirmation, the case you know may actually be a third-party rumor, so... don't panic yet.
- iandanforth 7y ago
  Don't panic, but yeah, you've been exposed if you're still in an office at this point.
  - TYPE-ERROR 7y ago
    It was not a rumor, it was a very specific and detailed account that resulted in employee quarantines. The chain of influences is big enough and reaches into national government, with a confluence of interests. I'm afraid a leak to the press could be more effective than a report to the government. I believe t will eventually come up because these things are difficult to hide as time goes by.
    - anigbrowl 7y ago
      Careers can be remade. You could go public and then run for political office. Don't be a slave to your employer's selfishness.
      - TYPE-ERROR 7y ago
        > run for political office I'm a serious and honest simple man. :)
    - viraptor 7y ago
      > My employer will be on the spot (I'm outsourced) You're weighing your health against your employer's profit. Are you sure you want to do that? I get that there may be an employment issue, but it's not like your career will end. Either you're irreplaceable and you'll be supported through this, or you are in a normal position and there are other similar jobs and employees around.
pjdkoch 7y ago
Lose your love for 50 euros and call a lawyer. Alternatively, contact your work or health regulator, and document the case to them the best you can. Documentation and evidence is now power for you.
- TYPE-ERROR 7y ago
  Are lawyers in Porto really that affordable? That is enticing. I'd love to talk this through just to have a non-actionable idea about the legality of this situation.
  - odshoifsdhfs 7y ago
    FFS you are in Porto Portugal? Are you watching the news? You can decide to work from home. First google result: https://www.jornaldenegocios.pt/economia/emprego/detalhe/trabalhadores-podem-trabalhar-a-partir-de-casa-contra-a-vontade-da-empresa https://www.jornaldenegocios.pt/economia/emprego/detalhe/tra... And second, please name the fucking company as for people to do the same and avoid it as much as possible.
    - TYPE-ERROR 7y ago
      It's not the legality or the right to work from home that is in question. You too live in a small country with too much corrupt politicians and networks of influence. If I named the company I would be uniquely identified by my immediate superiors as soon as they read this. I might as well ask you if you have any job for me in a couple of months. I really like Porto.
      - odshoifsdhfs 7y ago
        I wouldn't worry too much. For all the bad things our country has, labour court isn't one of them (well it can be) as it almost sides with workers all the time. If they try to fire you, they will end up paying you a lot and give you your contract back.
    - TYPE-ERROR 7y ago
7177Y 7y ago
Contact your local authorities non-emergency number. This is an emergency, but not immediately actionable (you don't need a firetruck right at this moment). Discuss the situation with them and they will hopefully act accordingly. Your workplace should be quarantined and sanitized, this is a major risk to public health. Best of luck.
- UncleEntity 7y ago
  > Your workplace should be quarantined and sanitized, this is a major risk to public health. Was down at "the yard" yesterday and all the supervisors were locked in their areas since some driver with a high fever wandered in and scared the hell out of them. Went in today and they were working on sanitizing everything with bleach while all the supervisors are still locked down. Tomorrow should be interesting...
- TYPE-ERROR 7y ago
  This is actually an extremely important suggestion. I will check with authorities. Thank you.
Cass 7y ago
Can't you get your doctor to give you a note that you have to work from home for now for medical reasons? It seems that in most EU countries, your employer would be forced to respect that. If they refuse, get a sick note and stay home, there's no reason to put everyone's lives at risk by getting infected at work and spreading it through your commute.
cl42 7y ago
Your country/state/province likely has a labour board you can contact to have them get involved. Alternatively, contact an employment lawyer. There’s a good chance a labour policy or law is being broken, especially if your region is under quarantine or self-isolation guidelines.
sk0g 7y ago
What the hell are they thinking? I had flu symptoms a few weeks ago, and our office has transitioned to full remote till the situation calms down a bit, and we're not even in a particularly affected country!
gorbachev 7y ago
Start coughing up the hierarchy. Once you cough on someone high enough I suspect the situation will solve itself. edit: Turning this approach 180 degrees, have the employees ask the people with power to change the policy what do they think the legal liability is in the case any of the employees or any of their family members dies?
- cafxx 7y ago
  (While I think this is hilarious) I would advise against this as, by doing it intentionally, you may be breaking the law (hard to know for sure as laws differ between EU countries).
  - gorbachev 7y ago
    Yes, not something you should do on purpose. However, that's still going to happen. Once someone high enough gets sick all of a sudden the company will start caring about their employees. Once the situation clears, I would encourage everyone at this company to quit and find somewhere else to work.
  - catalogia 7y ago
    It would be pretty hard to prove somebody coughed deliberately (unless they talked about their plan online first...)
  - mandelbrotwurst 7y ago
    A law against spreading illness if you're actually sick seems reasonable, but against coughing to feign illness?
    - odshoifsdhfs 7y ago
      Problem is, if he is asymptomatic, he may be spreading it anyways, and may have criminal charges thrown at him (happened already in many places)
  - TYPE-ERROR 7y ago
    I too love this kind of humor. Don't worry, I'm not one to break reasonable laws, much less try to harm people. :)
djtriptych 7y ago
Contact local authorities, and contact local journalists. Or even international.
TYPE-ERROR 7y ago
I finally got my user off the shadow ban. It is a throw-away account. Thank you Daniel! I realize this is a low-signal post, but I'm still here, unable to sleep, feeling utterly disrespected as a cysec professional. A few days ago I was a valued member of the team, now upper management is using fear and intimidation to keep a semblance of normality for as long as possible: You want to go home? We won't have you back. I would walk away gladly if I could do it without affecting my team and my employer. We have all the conditions required for secure remote work, in fact it would be a tighter environment in many ways. Apparently it's too difficult to manage the outsourced resources. This is why we need the state of emergency declared. To keep people like those from putting more people are risk. Is there anyone else going through something like this?
- bfung 7y ago
  At this point, you should look out for yourself - why worry about affecting your employer if they’re the ones putting you at risk? If you have enough saved up, quit and be safer. That will signal to your team and they can make their own adult choices. If you think you have corona already, take sick leave.
- japhyr 7y ago
  > I would walk away gladly if I could do it without affecting my team and my employer. If this is really the case, and you can survive without this job, you should consider walking. Your employer has demonstrated that they do not care about you or others on your team who are being pushed to continue showing up. And your employer, with this kind of approach, does not deserve any of your loyalty. It's bad that some employers are still pushing people to show up for non-essential work. It's an entirely different level when people are showing up symptomatic, and still being pushed to show up. Edit: I meant to add, that you'd probably be supporting your team by walking if you can. The more people who walk, the more clear it becomes that the employer is in an untenable position.
- pnw_hazor 7y ago
  You are learning an important lesson the hard way. Never be loyal to a corporation. Corporations are not loyal to you (or other employees) in spite of how it may seem sometimes. How could they be loyal? They are not human. I first heard this from a CTO at my first dev job when he was encouraging me to come along with an upcoming merger. I said something like "well I want to be loyal to company..." he immediately cut me off and said "never be loyal to a company -- a company will not be loyal to you." (paraphrasing) Since then, I have witnessed his assertion come true many times. Save your loyalty for people. We would like to think that the bonds made with teammates will be shared by the company, they won't.
realusername 7y ago
Where in the EU exactly? You can just stay home for medical reasons.
peterburkimsher 7y ago
"a very credible and personally-detailed report" isn't a medical test. Don't panic, but that doesn't make you safe. Anecdotally, a lot of people have started coughing around me (in Auckland) since Friday. At work, with the homestay family, at church, on the bus - every group had at least one person with a dry cough. "No fever, so the doctors said it's OK." Unfortunately, tests here in New Zealand cost 3000 NZD, and only people who have travelled recently AND show symptoms are allowed to be tested. Even then it takes hours on the phone to a helpline to join the queue. So far only about 500 people have been tested. I found an old N95 mask in the bottom of my bag that I used for air pollution in Taiwan. I've been wearing it in public since yesterday, and in the office today. I've been going for walks down by the river to get lots of fresh air, and sunbathing to get more UV. I bought 4 bottles of tonic water today, to share with all these people around. (Yes, I know the quinine concentration is too low to matter, but things like masks are sold out and the US/Europe need them more... I feel like I have to try something). My symptoms are barely noticeable (is that joint pain or RSI? shortness of breath or am I panicking?), but only when I started wearing a mask did other people take it seriously. The recorded cases in the country just jumped from 6 to 12 to 20 in the last few days. Exaggerate your own symptoms if you have to, instead of blaming someone else, and ask for personal permission to take sick leave. Take a week off for your wee cough. We've just been granted permission to work from home until the end of the week. Perhaps it'll be longer. Wash your hands, get a mask and wear it, drink tonic water and share it with everyone, try to take sick leave. I would love to see a web app where anecdata like this could be shared on a map (checkboxes of symptoms, severity, locations, number of people in groups).
- bArray 7y ago
  Hi there, I'm in NZ too. > Unfortunately, tests here in New Zealand cost 3000 NZD, > and only people who have travelled recently AND show > symptoms are allowed to be tested. So they are assuming that they don't infect people either on the plane or when they land? This seems like dangerous thinking considering that the world is currently very aware of how contagious this is. Also are you saying that it's $3000 out of pocket for the person infected? Or is that costed to the government? I think the US could be very heavily affected as people are not wanting to get tested in fear of associated health costs. > I would love to see a web app where anecdata like this > could be shared on a map (checkboxes of symptoms, > severity, locations, number of people in groups). 100% this. Like the earthquake data that is collected from reports. Could also be a good opportunity to share good and up-to-date advice about the latest best practices. I've not got a background in web-apps of any kind, but if you want some help to throw something together let me know.
sanguy 7y ago
Very common in EU unfortunately. Are you in the DACH region as it seems particularly neurotic over employees in general. Going through the same thing and the excuses to block work from home are comical. 1) It goes against GPDR policy to allow employees to have access to such data at home. 2) How do we ensure the employees are actually working on what we need them to do? 3) How do we ensure they are putting in a full work day? 4) Why should we allow working from home to social distance without knowing if they do the same in their personal time? Several of these are actually issues they suffer with physical workers because they micro manage and are paranoid that all employees are against management. If they would realize that if you let good people do what you hire them for you will realize most are very loyal and focused on doing the best for the company.
odshoifsdhfs 7y ago
a) please confirm itself with the health authorities. I have heard very credible reports as well all these last weeks b) country is more important than EU region. Each country enacted their own rules wether you can decide for yourself to work from home is there is a possibility (Portugal for example both employee and employer can do it unilaterally)
- TYPE-ERROR 7y ago
  Do you have a PGP public key?
  - odshoifsdhfs 7y ago
    I don't. If you need/want to talk, we can use email/whatsapp. While tomorrow you probably won't have to go to work, you can always call CMTV and they will rush there I am sure
anigbrowl 7y ago
Quit and name the company. Why not?
- TYPE-ERROR 7y ago
  Fear of consequences and not having f-you pocket change. Isn't it enough?
  - anigbrowl 7y ago
    I can't direct your life but you can navigate such temporary setbacks. Many, if not most, people will understand your situation, and in life it's more valuable to work with people who understand you than with people who have lots of money but don't care.
    - TYPE-ERROR 7y ago
      [This comment was useful. It's now self-censured.] Thank you.
pezo1919 7y ago
If you think they lie or they're just not trustworthy you must play the game they started to play and lie too. Don't be a fool. Start looking for a job asap, don't go in, play out your cards. You can say the things you want. You can say you are sick, you can say you are horrified, but you must start playing the game. For naive people with good moral in general it's hard. You are not your environment. If you feel they are not doing the right thing accept for yourself that you can't too. If a persen attacks you on street and threatens your life and you can't escape, sometimes you must fight back. That's really sad, but true. Be smart. Do your best. Don't be a fool. Many similar posts/problems will come in next weeks/months.
- brandmeyer 7y ago
  > Start looking for a job asap Sorry, but with the world economy literally crashing around you, this isn't practical advice. Everyone who was hiring is going to be delaying those decisions right now.
  - TYPE-ERROR 7y ago
    It seems to me that this is a pretty good opportunity for remote companies to have a competitive advantage in the job market. The question is, how many remote jobs exist and how many can be created in a recession?
- TYPE-ERROR 7y ago
  [This comment was useful. It's now self-censured.] Thank you.
StopOFlop 7y ago
Don't know where you are in the eu but in some countries you have the right to leave work if there is imminent danger for your health which is the case here.

53 points by TYPE-ERROR 7y ago

vinhnglx 7y ago

You need to left the company immediately, report the situation to the police and self-isolate yourself when waiting for the next step from the police. Job is not important anymore at this time. This is not a video-game where you can restart everything when you died, this is real. You, all of us, only have one life to live.

bigdict 7y ago

Police?

deleted 7y ago
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viraptor 7y ago

If you're not allowed to work from home, stop working. Contact your doctor and request relevant paperwork to stop work and go into isolation. (if this is possible in your country - depending on the country, "I've been in contact with a case" may be enough) But also keep in mind that unless you hear a real confirmation, the case you know may actually be a third-party rumor, so... don't panic yet.

iandanforth 7y ago
Don't panic, but yeah, you've been exposed if you're still in an office at this point.
- TYPE-ERROR 7y ago
  It was not a rumor, it was a very specific and detailed account that resulted in employee quarantines. The chain of influences is big enough and reaches into national government, with a confluence of interests. I'm afraid a leak to the press could be more effective than a report to the government. I believe t will eventually come up because these things are difficult to hide as time goes by.
  - anigbrowl 7y ago
    Careers can be remade. You could go public and then run for political office. Don't be a slave to your employer's selfishness.
    - TYPE-ERROR 7y ago
      > run for political office I'm a serious and honest simple man. :)
  - viraptor 7y ago
    > My employer will be on the spot (I'm outsourced) You're weighing your health against your employer's profit. Are you sure you want to do that? I get that there may be an employment issue, but it's not like your career will end. Either you're irreplaceable and you'll be supported through this, or you are in a normal position and there are other similar jobs and employees around.

pjdkoch 7y ago

Lose your love for 50 euros and call a lawyer. Alternatively, contact your work or health regulator, and document the case to them the best you can. Documentation and evidence is now power for you.

TYPE-ERROR 7y ago
Are lawyers in Porto really that affordable? That is enticing. I'd love to talk this through just to have a non-actionable idea about the legality of this situation.
- odshoifsdhfs 7y ago
  FFS you are in Porto Portugal? Are you watching the news? You can decide to work from home. First google result: https://www.jornaldenegocios.pt/economia/emprego/detalhe/trabalhadores-podem-trabalhar-a-partir-de-casa-contra-a-vontade-da-empresa https://www.jornaldenegocios.pt/economia/emprego/detalhe/tra... And second, please name the fucking company as for people to do the same and avoid it as much as possible.
  - TYPE-ERROR 7y ago
    It's not the legality or the right to work from home that is in question. You too live in a small country with too much corrupt politicians and networks of influence. If I named the company I would be uniquely identified by my immediate superiors as soon as they read this. I might as well ask you if you have any job for me in a couple of months. I really like Porto.
    - odshoifsdhfs 7y ago
      I wouldn't worry too much. For all the bad things our country has, labour court isn't one of them (well it can be) as it almost sides with workers all the time. If they try to fire you, they will end up paying you a lot and give you your contract back.
  - TYPE-ERROR 7y ago

7177Y 7y ago

Contact your local authorities non-emergency number. This is an emergency, but not immediately actionable (you don't need a firetruck right at this moment). Discuss the situation with them and they will hopefully act accordingly. Your workplace should be quarantined and sanitized, this is a major risk to public health. Best of luck.

UncleEntity 7y ago
> Your workplace should be quarantined and sanitized, this is a major risk to public health. Was down at "the yard" yesterday and all the supervisors were locked in their areas since some driver with a high fever wandered in and scared the hell out of them. Went in today and they were working on sanitizing everything with bleach while all the supervisors are still locked down. Tomorrow should be interesting...
TYPE-ERROR 7y ago
This is actually an extremely important suggestion. I will check with authorities. Thank you.

Cass 7y ago

Can't you get your doctor to give you a note that you have to work from home for now for medical reasons? It seems that in most EU countries, your employer would be forced to respect that. If they refuse, get a sick note and stay home, there's no reason to put everyone's lives at risk by getting infected at work and spreading it through your commute.

cl42 7y ago

Your country/state/province likely has a labour board you can contact to have them get involved. Alternatively, contact an employment lawyer. There’s a good chance a labour policy or law is being broken, especially if your region is under quarantine or self-isolation guidelines.

sk0g 7y ago

What the hell are they thinking? I had flu symptoms a few weeks ago, and our office has transitioned to full remote till the situation calms down a bit, and we're not even in a particularly affected country!

gorbachev 7y ago

Start coughing up the hierarchy. Once you cough on someone high enough I suspect the situation will solve itself. edit: Turning this approach 180 degrees, have the employees ask the people with power to change the policy what do they think the legal liability is in the case any of the employees or any of their family members dies?

cafxx 7y ago
(While I think this is hilarious) I would advise against this as, by doing it intentionally, you may be breaking the law (hard to know for sure as laws differ between EU countries).
- gorbachev 7y ago
  Yes, not something you should do on purpose. However, that's still going to happen. Once someone high enough gets sick all of a sudden the company will start caring about their employees. Once the situation clears, I would encourage everyone at this company to quit and find somewhere else to work.
- catalogia 7y ago
  It would be pretty hard to prove somebody coughed deliberately (unless they talked about their plan online first...)
- mandelbrotwurst 7y ago
  A law against spreading illness if you're actually sick seems reasonable, but against coughing to feign illness?
  - odshoifsdhfs 7y ago
    Problem is, if he is asymptomatic, he may be spreading it anyways, and may have criminal charges thrown at him (happened already in many places)
- TYPE-ERROR 7y ago
  I too love this kind of humor. Don't worry, I'm not one to break reasonable laws, much less try to harm people. :)

djtriptych 7y ago

Contact local authorities, and contact local journalists. Or even international.

TYPE-ERROR 7y ago

I finally got my user off the shadow ban. It is a throw-away account. Thank you Daniel! I realize this is a low-signal post, but I'm still here, unable to sleep, feeling utterly disrespected as a cysec professional. A few days ago I was a valued member of the team, now upper management is using fear and intimidation to keep a semblance of normality for as long as possible: You want to go home? We won't have you back. I would walk away gladly if I could do it without affecting my team and my employer. We have all the conditions required for secure remote work, in fact it would be a tighter environment in many ways. Apparently it's too difficult to manage the outsourced resources. This is why we need the state of emergency declared. To keep people like those from putting more people are risk. Is there anyone else going through something like this?

bfung 7y ago
At this point, you should look out for yourself - why worry about affecting your employer if they’re the ones putting you at risk? If you have enough saved up, quit and be safer. That will signal to your team and they can make their own adult choices. If you think you have corona already, take sick leave.
japhyr 7y ago
> I would walk away gladly if I could do it without affecting my team and my employer. If this is really the case, and you can survive without this job, you should consider walking. Your employer has demonstrated that they do not care about you or others on your team who are being pushed to continue showing up. And your employer, with this kind of approach, does not deserve any of your loyalty. It's bad that some employers are still pushing people to show up for non-essential work. It's an entirely different level when people are showing up symptomatic, and still being pushed to show up. Edit: I meant to add, that you'd probably be supporting your team by walking if you can. The more people who walk, the more clear it becomes that the employer is in an untenable position.
pnw_hazor 7y ago
You are learning an important lesson the hard way. Never be loyal to a corporation. Corporations are not loyal to you (or other employees) in spite of how it may seem sometimes. How could they be loyal? They are not human. I first heard this from a CTO at my first dev job when he was encouraging me to come along with an upcoming merger. I said something like "well I want to be loyal to company..." he immediately cut me off and said "never be loyal to a company -- a company will not be loyal to you." (paraphrasing) Since then, I have witnessed his assertion come true many times. Save your loyalty for people. We would like to think that the bonds made with teammates will be shared by the company, they won't.

realusername 7y ago

Where in the EU exactly? You can just stay home for medical reasons.

peterburkimsher 7y ago

"a very credible and personally-detailed report" isn't a medical test. Don't panic, but that doesn't make you safe. Anecdotally, a lot of people have started coughing around me (in Auckland) since Friday. At work, with the homestay family, at church, on the bus - every group had at least one person with a dry cough. "No fever, so the doctors said it's OK." Unfortunately, tests here in New Zealand cost 3000 NZD, and only people who have travelled recently AND show symptoms are allowed to be tested. Even then it takes hours on the phone to a helpline to join the queue. So far only about 500 people have been tested. I found an old N95 mask in the bottom of my bag that I used for air pollution in Taiwan. I've been wearing it in public since yesterday, and in the office today. I've been going for walks down by the river to get lots of fresh air, and sunbathing to get more UV. I bought 4 bottles of tonic water today, to share with all these people around. (Yes, I know the quinine concentration is too low to matter, but things like masks are sold out and the US/Europe need them more... I feel like I have to try something). My symptoms are barely noticeable (is that joint pain or RSI? shortness of breath or am I panicking?), but only when I started wearing a mask did other people take it seriously. The recorded cases in the country just jumped from 6 to 12 to 20 in the last few days. Exaggerate your own symptoms if you have to, instead of blaming someone else, and ask for personal permission to take sick leave. Take a week off for your wee cough. We've just been granted permission to work from home until the end of the week. Perhaps it'll be longer. Wash your hands, get a mask and wear it, drink tonic water and share it with everyone, try to take sick leave. I would love to see a web app where anecdata like this could be shared on a map (checkboxes of symptoms, severity, locations, number of people in groups).

bArray 7y ago
Hi there, I'm in NZ too. > Unfortunately, tests here in New Zealand cost 3000 NZD, > and only people who have travelled recently AND show > symptoms are allowed to be tested. So they are assuming that they don't infect people either on the plane or when they land? This seems like dangerous thinking considering that the world is currently very aware of how contagious this is. Also are you saying that it's $3000 out of pocket for the person infected? Or is that costed to the government? I think the US could be very heavily affected as people are not wanting to get tested in fear of associated health costs. > I would love to see a web app where anecdata like this > could be shared on a map (checkboxes of symptoms, > severity, locations, number of people in groups). 100% this. Like the earthquake data that is collected from reports. Could also be a good opportunity to share good and up-to-date advice about the latest best practices. I've not got a background in web-apps of any kind, but if you want some help to throw something together let me know.

sanguy 7y ago

Very common in EU unfortunately. Are you in the DACH region as it seems particularly neurotic over employees in general. Going through the same thing and the excuses to block work from home are comical. 1) It goes against GPDR policy to allow employees to have access to such data at home. 2) How do we ensure the employees are actually working on what we need them to do? 3) How do we ensure they are putting in a full work day? 4) Why should we allow working from home to social distance without knowing if they do the same in their personal time? Several of these are actually issues they suffer with physical workers because they micro manage and are paranoid that all employees are against management. If they would realize that if you let good people do what you hire them for you will realize most are very loyal and focused on doing the best for the company.

odshoifsdhfs 7y ago

a) please confirm itself with the health authorities. I have heard very credible reports as well all these last weeks b) country is more important than EU region. Each country enacted their own rules wether you can decide for yourself to work from home is there is a possibility (Portugal for example both employee and employer can do it unilaterally)

TYPE-ERROR 7y ago
Do you have a PGP public key?
- odshoifsdhfs 7y ago
  I don't. If you need/want to talk, we can use email/whatsapp. While tomorrow you probably won't have to go to work, you can always call CMTV and they will rush there I am sure

anigbrowl 7y ago

Quit and name the company. Why not?

TYPE-ERROR 7y ago
Fear of consequences and not having f-you pocket change. Isn't it enough?
- anigbrowl 7y ago
  I can't direct your life but you can navigate such temporary setbacks. Many, if not most, people will understand your situation, and in life it's more valuable to work with people who understand you than with people who have lots of money but don't care.
  - TYPE-ERROR 7y ago
    [This comment was useful. It's now self-censured.] Thank you.

pezo1919 7y ago

If you think they lie or they're just not trustworthy you must play the game they started to play and lie too. Don't be a fool. Start looking for a job asap, don't go in, play out your cards. You can say the things you want. You can say you are sick, you can say you are horrified, but you must start playing the game. For naive people with good moral in general it's hard. You are not your environment. If you feel they are not doing the right thing accept for yourself that you can't too. If a persen attacks you on street and threatens your life and you can't escape, sometimes you must fight back. That's really sad, but true. Be smart. Do your best. Don't be a fool. Many similar posts/problems will come in next weeks/months.

brandmeyer 7y ago
> Start looking for a job asap Sorry, but with the world economy literally crashing around you, this isn't practical advice. Everyone who was hiring is going to be delaying those decisions right now.
- TYPE-ERROR 7y ago
  It seems to me that this is a pretty good opportunity for remote companies to have a competitive advantage in the job market. The question is, how many remote jobs exist and how many can be created in a recession?
TYPE-ERROR 7y ago
[This comment was useful. It's now self-censured.] Thank you.

StopOFlop 7y ago

Don't know where you are in the eu but in some countries you have the right to leave work if there is imminent danger for your health which is the case here.