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> What is a similar measurement for information? Grocery stores only sell physical goods; they don't, for example, determine what medical information you see, o

> What is a similar measurement for information? Grocery stores only sell physical goods; they don't, for example, determine what medical information you see, or what information about political candidates you consume... those are things that search engines do. Okay, but that's a different discussion. Google showing Google Maps first instead of Apple Maps on a search for "maps" is not related to the kind of shadowy political subterfuge you're referencing here. I still don't see what's wrong with highlighting your own products to your customers, which is the discussion here.

d2wa 7y ago
The Apple Maps service doesn’t have a web presence, so they’re not even trying to compete with Google Maps on the web. A map service is objectively more useful than a promotional page trying to sell iOS devices with a built-in Maps app.
- taffer 7y ago
  > The Apple Maps service doesn’t have a web presence It kind of has: https://maps.apple.com/place?address=San%20Francisco https://maps.apple.com/place?address=San%20Francisco
  - d2wa 7y ago
    No, it doesn’t: https://maps.apple.com/robots.txt https://maps.apple.com/robots.txt
    - wolco 7y ago
      The robot file doesn't want you scraping actual locations. So it does have a way of accessing the maps over the web. But because they dis-allow locations they don't compete with google for location based queries. Everyone is wrong or right, depending on if your glass is half full or empty.
- stronglikedan 7y ago
  > Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize. Assume good faith. [0] Replace "maps" with the names of any competing products from both companies with a web presence that can be linked to in search results, if you want to genuinely rebut the point. [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

d2wa 7y ago

The Apple Maps service doesn’t have a web presence, so they’re not even trying to compete with Google Maps on the web. A map service is objectively more useful than a promotional page trying to sell iOS devices with a built-in Maps app.

taffer 7y ago
> The Apple Maps service doesn’t have a web presence It kind of has: https://maps.apple.com/place?address=San%20Francisco https://maps.apple.com/place?address=San%20Francisco
- d2wa 7y ago
  No, it doesn’t: https://maps.apple.com/robots.txt https://maps.apple.com/robots.txt
  - wolco 7y ago
    The robot file doesn't want you scraping actual locations. So it does have a way of accessing the maps over the web. But because they dis-allow locations they don't compete with google for location based queries. Everyone is wrong or right, depending on if your glass is half full or empty.
stronglikedan 7y ago
> Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize. Assume good faith. [0] Replace "maps" with the names of any competing products from both companies with a web presence that can be linked to in search results, if you want to genuinely rebut the point. [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html