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would you mind pointing out some resources that back up your claims? they read like fiction.

Diederich 7y ago
One example: an interview with https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garrett_Reisman https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garrett_Reisman https://youtu.be/GNG6ZzDh9C8?t=383 https://youtu.be/GNG6ZzDh9C8?t=383 I'm a fan of Musk's work, but there's plenty to criticize about the man. However, there's little doubt that he's an extremely smart person.
nickik 7y ago
I mean its a fact that is has the title. They don't have two chief engineers. Every single interview with him or anybody else that works at the company takes it for granted that he makes all the engineering decisions. If you listen to press conference you will see that he answers any and all questions, sometimes in insane amount of detail. This should really not be surprising to anybody who follows SpaceX in any detail. I would argue the burden of prove is on people who deny what he does. What evidence do you have that he is not the chief engineer. Is there a 'hidden' chief engineer working on the project? Who makes the important engineering decisions if its not Elon?
- nikofeyn 7y ago
  that's not how burden of proof works. you're the one making claims and assertions, not me. titles are not sufficient proof, and marketing is a thing.
  - nickik 7y ago
    I'm not making assertions, I'm point out a plain fact that is undenyable. Elon Musk is right now the Chief Engineer of SpaceX. If you are saying 'that title is a total sham' and 'the title does not accuratly represent Musk role' then you need to provide evidence. And yes, that is how burdon of proove works. As I said before, ever single high level engineer that worked with him has repeated over and over again what a genius he is. I don't know what more evidence you could want. Of course you can just continue to repeat and cast dought because you don't like him. But please show me a single piece of evidence that Elon Musk is not a capable rocket sientists and engineer.
    - nikofeyn 7y ago
      you mistake how arguments work. i recommend just googling "burden of proof" and understanding how it works. you claim that musk is the chief designer beyond just title. specifically, you said: > He made every important choice on every important technical decision. and > He knows every detail of these rockets, he knows them inside and out. Nobody knows more about any of these rockets then Elon. those are claims. simply stating he has the title of chief designer is not sufficient evidence. neither is citing anecdotal evidence from people who work for him (and you didn't even give quotes, you just stated the supposed conclusions). i asked if you had evidence and didn't make a claim otherwise in my response to you. the burden of proof fully lies on you to backup what you said. i didn't say it. if people are still "slipping on elon and how brilliant he is", maybe you and his fanboys should provide more evidence than "omg, he's such a genius".
      - nickik 7y ago
        I'm sorry, but that is not the standard anybody else would apply when talking about other people. If somebody has a job at some company, we assume that is the job they are actually doing. Its the Chief Engineers jobs to make choices about high level direction and to be the ultimate decision maker. In my book anybody who has that role for the most successful rocket company in human history is a genius. If you want to claim he is not, claiming it all some sort of evil genius marketing scheme to hype up Elon, you need to provide an actual argument, no matter how many times you want to deny it. > simply stating he has the title of chief designer is not sufficient evidence. Its a private company, the evidence you ask for simply doesn't exists in the public domain. Essentially you have put yourself into a position where you have a opinion, and no evidence that exists in the public domain will convince you. > neither is citing anecdotal evidence from people who work for him (and you didn't even give quotes, you just stated the supposed conclusions) The best evidence we have is what people who have worked with him and multiple people in this thread have mentioned this to you. Yet you seem unwilling to do even a minimal amount of work yourself and neither me nor anybody else has time to go threw hours of video materials to provide quotes for you. The fact is, you have a clearly uninformed opinion that disagrees with all the public knowledge we have and you have no evidence what so ever. This is clearly a stupid position to be in, but be my guest, I will no longer argue this.

One example: an interview with https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garrett_Reisman https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garrett_Reisman https://youtu.be/GNG6ZzDh9C8?t=383 https://youtu.be/GNG6ZzDh9C8?t=383 I'm a fan of Musk's work, but there's plenty to criticize about the man. However, there's little doubt that he's an extremely smart person.

nickik 7y ago

I mean its a fact that is has the title. They don't have two chief engineers. Every single interview with him or anybody else that works at the company takes it for granted that he makes all the engineering decisions. If you listen to press conference you will see that he answers any and all questions, sometimes in insane amount of detail. This should really not be surprising to anybody who follows SpaceX in any detail. I would argue the burden of prove is on people who deny what he does. What evidence do you have that he is not the chief engineer. Is there a 'hidden' chief engineer working on the project? Who makes the important engineering decisions if its not Elon?

nikofeyn 7y ago
that's not how burden of proof works. you're the one making claims and assertions, not me. titles are not sufficient proof, and marketing is a thing.
- nickik 7y ago
  I'm not making assertions, I'm point out a plain fact that is undenyable. Elon Musk is right now the Chief Engineer of SpaceX. If you are saying 'that title is a total sham' and 'the title does not accuratly represent Musk role' then you need to provide evidence. And yes, that is how burdon of proove works. As I said before, ever single high level engineer that worked with him has repeated over and over again what a genius he is. I don't know what more evidence you could want. Of course you can just continue to repeat and cast dought because you don't like him. But please show me a single piece of evidence that Elon Musk is not a capable rocket sientists and engineer.
  - nikofeyn 7y ago
    you mistake how arguments work. i recommend just googling "burden of proof" and understanding how it works. you claim that musk is the chief designer beyond just title. specifically, you said: > He made every important choice on every important technical decision. and > He knows every detail of these rockets, he knows them inside and out. Nobody knows more about any of these rockets then Elon. those are claims. simply stating he has the title of chief designer is not sufficient evidence. neither is citing anecdotal evidence from people who work for him (and you didn't even give quotes, you just stated the supposed conclusions). i asked if you had evidence and didn't make a claim otherwise in my response to you. the burden of proof fully lies on you to backup what you said. i didn't say it. if people are still "slipping on elon and how brilliant he is", maybe you and his fanboys should provide more evidence than "omg, he's such a genius".
    - nickik 7y ago
      I'm sorry, but that is not the standard anybody else would apply when talking about other people. If somebody has a job at some company, we assume that is the job they are actually doing. Its the Chief Engineers jobs to make choices about high level direction and to be the ultimate decision maker. In my book anybody who has that role for the most successful rocket company in human history is a genius. If you want to claim he is not, claiming it all some sort of evil genius marketing scheme to hype up Elon, you need to provide an actual argument, no matter how many times you want to deny it. > simply stating he has the title of chief designer is not sufficient evidence. Its a private company, the evidence you ask for simply doesn't exists in the public domain. Essentially you have put yourself into a position where you have a opinion, and no evidence that exists in the public domain will convince you. > neither is citing anecdotal evidence from people who work for him (and you didn't even give quotes, you just stated the supposed conclusions) The best evidence we have is what people who have worked with him and multiple people in this thread have mentioned this to you. Yet you seem unwilling to do even a minimal amount of work yourself and neither me nor anybody else has time to go threw hours of video materials to provide quotes for you. The fact is, you have a clearly uninformed opinion that disagrees with all the public knowledge we have and you have no evidence what so ever. This is clearly a stupid position to be in, but be my guest, I will no longer argue this.