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Industrial farming practices in the US and many other countries could easily lead to similarly dangerous animal-to-human transmissions.

fock 7y ago
fortunately in industrial farming, the infection risk the other way round (human→animal) is such a business risk, that adequate precautions are taken!
JumpCrisscross 7y ago
> Industrial farming practices in the US and many other countries could easily lead to similarly dangerous animal-to-human transmissions SARS-CoV-2 appears to have originated in bats, been passed to Malayan pangolins, and then made its jump to humans [1]. That is likely in a wet market. It is not likely on a single-animal industrial farm. [1] https://www.cell.com/pb-assets/journals/research/current-biology/CURBIO_CURRENT-BIOLOGY-D-20-00299-compressed.pdf https://www.cell.com/pb-assets/journals/research/current-bio...
- danenania 7y ago
  Past black swan events are not necessarily good indicators for future black swan events. This time it was (probably) bats and pangolins--next time it could be chickens and pigs. I don't dispute that the wet markets are higher risk, but there is certainly some risk in industrial farming too.
  - JumpCrisscross 7y ago
    > Past black swan events are not necessarily good indicators for future black swan events SARS also originated from Chinese wet markets [1]. If you're trying to engineer a plague, crowding different species with one another's effluence is the traditional way to do it. > there is certainly some risk in industrial farming too Some. But not comparable to wet markets. The latter's only comparison is with medieval European cities, where people, sewage and livestock had constant and close proximity to one another. The tragic thing is, the products of these wet markets are unaffordable for most Chinese. The entire world is put at risk because a narrow sliver of Beijing's elite want exotic wild game. [1] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14738798 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14738798
himinlomax 7y ago
The point is, industrial farming HASN'T. (There is plenty to say about industrial farming; the use of antibiotics in it is probably largely responsible for MRSA and the likes. But it has not resulted in a wartime-like conditions in the whole world.)
- pinkfoot 7y ago
  > The point is, industrial farming HASN'T. Except for the wee Mad Cow Disease thingie that jumped to people.
  - himinlomax 7y ago
    How many victims?
    - pinkfoot 7y ago
      170. But you quickly sequed from "hasn't" to "well, they do but it did't kill enough to count."
      - himinlomax 7y ago
        Once the practice causing the problem were identified, they were outlawed. The problem with wet markets has been known for decades. They've done nothing. Besides, mad cow disease was not an epidemic, let alone a pandemic.

fock 7y ago

fortunately in industrial farming, the infection risk the other way round (human→animal) is such a business risk, that adequate precautions are taken!

JumpCrisscross 7y ago

> Industrial farming practices in the US and many other countries could easily lead to similarly dangerous animal-to-human transmissions SARS-CoV-2 appears to have originated in bats, been passed to Malayan pangolins, and then made its jump to humans [1]. That is likely in a wet market. It is not likely on a single-animal industrial farm. [1] https://www.cell.com/pb-assets/journals/research/current-biology/CURBIO_CURRENT-BIOLOGY-D-20-00299-compressed.pdf https://www.cell.com/pb-assets/journals/research/current-bio...

danenania 7y ago
Past black swan events are not necessarily good indicators for future black swan events. This time it was (probably) bats and pangolins--next time it could be chickens and pigs. I don't dispute that the wet markets are higher risk, but there is certainly some risk in industrial farming too.
- JumpCrisscross 7y ago
  > Past black swan events are not necessarily good indicators for future black swan events SARS also originated from Chinese wet markets [1]. If you're trying to engineer a plague, crowding different species with one another's effluence is the traditional way to do it. > there is certainly some risk in industrial farming too Some. But not comparable to wet markets. The latter's only comparison is with medieval European cities, where people, sewage and livestock had constant and close proximity to one another. The tragic thing is, the products of these wet markets are unaffordable for most Chinese. The entire world is put at risk because a narrow sliver of Beijing's elite want exotic wild game. [1] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14738798 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14738798

himinlomax 7y ago

The point is, industrial farming HASN'T. (There is plenty to say about industrial farming; the use of antibiotics in it is probably largely responsible for MRSA and the likes. But it has not resulted in a wartime-like conditions in the whole world.)

pinkfoot 7y ago
> The point is, industrial farming HASN'T. Except for the wee Mad Cow Disease thingie that jumped to people.
- himinlomax 7y ago
  How many victims?
  - pinkfoot 7y ago
    170. But you quickly sequed from "hasn't" to "well, they do but it did't kill enough to count."
    - himinlomax 7y ago
      Once the practice causing the problem were identified, they were outlawed. The problem with wet markets has been known for decades. They've done nothing. Besides, mad cow disease was not an epidemic, let alone a pandemic.