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Other countries don't have those filthy wet markets. They ARE absolutely filthy. They're on the same hygiene levels as the bushmeat markets in the poorest Afric
by himinlomax 7y ago
Other countries don't have those filthy wet markets. They ARE absolutely filthy. They're on the same hygiene levels as the bushmeat markets in the poorest African countries. You know, Ebola?
Isn't it amazing that poorer, even denser countries like India or Bangladesh haven't originated the same deadly pandemics?
The PRC deserves the blame for this. Scientists have known about the issues with those markets for a long time, at least since SARS. They only just prohibited the trade of wild animals. Why not before?
(Of course some people will call this racism, but other ethnic Chinese countries like HK, Taiwan or Singapore have world-leading hygiene standards. This one is on the Chinese dictatorship, not the Chinese people.)
- danenania 7y agoIndustrial farming practices in the US and many other countries could easily lead to similarly dangerous animal-to-human transmissions.
- fock 7y agofortunately in industrial farming, the infection risk the other way round (human→animal) is such a business risk, that adequate precautions are taken!
- JumpCrisscross 7y ago> Industrial farming practices in the US and many other countries could easily lead to similarly dangerous animal-to-human transmissions SARS-CoV-2 appears to have originated in bats, been passed to Malayan pangolins, and then made its jump to humans [1]. That is likely in a wet market. It is not likely on a single-animal industrial farm. [1] https://www.cell.com/pb-assets/journals/research/current-biology/CURBIO_CURRENT-BIOLOGY-D-20-00299-compressed.pdf https://www.cell.com/pb-assets/journals/research/current-bio...
- danenania 7y agoPast black swan events are not necessarily good indicators for future black swan events. This time it was (probably) bats and pangolins--next time it could be chickens and pigs. I don't dispute that the wet markets are higher risk, but there is certainly some risk in industrial farming too.
- JumpCrisscross 7y ago> Past black swan events are not necessarily good indicators for future black swan events SARS also originated from Chinese wet markets [1]. If you're trying to engineer a plague, crowding different species with one another's effluence is the traditional way to do it. > there is certainly some risk in industrial farming too Some. But not comparable to wet markets. The latter's only comparison is with medieval European cities, where people, sewage and livestock had constant and close proximity to one another. The tragic thing is, the products of these wet markets are unaffordable for most Chinese. The entire world is put at risk because a narrow sliver of Beijing's elite want exotic wild game. [1] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14738798 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14738798
- himinlomax 7y agoThe point is, industrial farming HASN'T. (There is plenty to say about industrial farming; the use of antibiotics in it is probably largely responsible for MRSA and the likes. But it has not resulted in a wartime-like conditions in the whole world.)
- pinkfoot 7y ago> The point is, industrial farming HASN'T. Except for the wee Mad Cow Disease thingie that jumped to people.
- himinlomax 7y agoHow many victims?
- pinkfoot 7y ago170. But you quickly sequed from "hasn't" to "well, they do but it did't kill enough to count."
- himinlomax 7y agoOnce the practice causing the problem were identified, they were outlawed. The problem with wet markets has been known for decades. They've done nothing. Besides, mad cow disease was not an epidemic, let alone a pandemic.
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- pinkfoot 7y agoWhilst I would love to join you in your racist-freebie rant on the Chinese, I am reminded that 170 odd people died from Creutzfeldt–Jakob disease, caused by feeding hitherto vegan cows the brains of other dead cows. In the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. In 2012. Twit
- baq 7y agoCan somebody explain to me how saying ‘generic bad thing’ and ‘China’ in the same sentence is racist? Is this question racist? Serious answers only because I’m in EU. Bonus question - is Spanish Flu racist?
- koliber 7y agoThere is believable evidence that the Spanish flu originated in the US. https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/journal-plague-year-180965222/# https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/journal-plague-year-1... https://www.livescience.com/spanish-flu.html https://www.livescience.com/spanish-flu.html Was the name racist? Not sure, considering that likely it was incorrect. What do you think?
- vonmoltke 7y agoAs I understand it, "Spanish Flu" was so named because it started during WWI. Spain was the first non-belligerent to be hit by the disease. Since news media in all of the belligerent nations was highly censored, it was Spanish media that was first to report heavily on the effects. Thus, the belief at the time that the disease originated there.
- Der_Einzige 7y agoIt's most likely CPC brigading. The only group on earth who sees anti-CPC rehtoric as being synonymous with racism against the chinease are the CPC themselves. It's like when someone calls you an anti-semite for supporting BDS movements. I just assume they're isreali Nationals or shills when they say that crap. It's all dog whistling because the alternative is that evil organizations would have to admit that they do bad things.