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Obviously there is no room for a constructive discussion on this. Edited to remove my post.

by throwaway5752 7y ago

egdod 7y ago
It's not racist to call it the Chinese coronavirus.
- archivist1 7y ago
  YeH, just like bLaCkFAcE is NoT rAciST
  - allovernow 7y ago
    How the hell is this anything comparable to blackface?
    - dang 7y ago
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  - egdod 7y ago
    Is it racist to call food in a style that originated from China "Chinese food"?
    - dang 7y ago
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    - deleted 7y ago
      [deleted]
  - dang 7y ago
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  - voldacar 7y ago
    back to reddit
- deleted 7y ago
  [deleted]
BiasRegularizer 7y ago
So the Chinese Gov thought the proper way to respond to racism is to fuel misinformation and conspiracy theory?
- commandlinefan 7y ago
  > racism China is a country, not a race.
  - BiasRegularizer 7y ago
    One can argue modern definition of racism has expanded much beyond race. Though I also didn't want to start a pedantic argument on the definition of racism with the original OP. Rather to point out how distastefully the Chinese Gov have acted in response to Trump and Pompeo.
  - anoncake 7y ago
    Races only exist in the minds of racists to begin with.
whatshisface 7y ago
I'm not sure about "Chinese Virus" but including Wuhan, the place of origin, in the systematic name is standard practice for naming viral strains.
- ceejayoz 7y ago
  The WHO named it COVID-19 specifically to change that fact, as it leads to things like Asian-Americans being beat up despite having nothing to do with the virus.
  - 2a0c40 7y ago
    COVID-19 is the disease. SARS-CoV-2 is the virus.
    - ceejayoz 7y ago
      COVID-19 is the term media, the CDC, etc. are using to discuss it. Being pedantic about it doesn't impress anyone. For example, https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/index.html https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/index.html says "Coronavirus (COVID-19)". So does https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019 https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2.... The point: WHO has moved away from geolocated names. https://www.wired.com/story/coronavirus-has-a-name-the-deadly-disease-is-covid-19/ https://www.wired.com/story/coronavirus-has-a-name-the-deadl...
- wollstonecraft 7y ago
  cf Marburgvirus
- martinpw 7y ago
  That is no longer the case as of 2015. Place names are no longer used because of the stigmatization issues: https://www.who.int/mediacentre/news/notes/2015/naming-new-diseases/en/ https://www.who.int/mediacentre/news/notes/2015/naming-new-d...
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allovernow 7y ago
This is not racist and if you're not a Chinese astroturfer you're playing right into their hands by spreading this idiotic take. China is a geographic region. The virus most originated from China. In any case it has become associated with China. If you can't hear the words "Chinese Virus" without feeling ill will towards Chinese people, the problem is with you, not with semantics.
- dang 7y ago
  We've banned this account for flamewar posting. Please read https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22606977 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22606977, and if you don't want to be banned, you're welcome to email hn@ycombinator.com and give us reason to believe that you'll follow the rules in the future.
droopyEyelids 7y ago
China is currently in the running for the most racist country in the world. From the wide-scale ethnic cleansing they're performing on Uyghurs and Tibetians, to their hostility to non-chinese, to the way that companies still post restrictions on your birth province for employment (though this is nominally illegal). To dilute the concept of racism, a concept meant to describe toxic and life-wrecking behavior like many of China's current policies, and try to stretch its meaning to cover the use of the geographical location of the origination of a virus- that is itself depraved behavior.
- lostmsu 7y ago
  Technically, those are not examples of racism. The later is intolerance to a (specific?) religion. Not sure about the former.
- geofft 7y ago
  It's absolutely possible for group X and group Y to both be discriminatory against each other, and the solution is not to well "Group X is right" - the solution is to treat discrimination, from whomever, as the bad thing.
- hello_moto 7y ago
  We should separate Uyghurs/Tibetans and other issue. Uyghurs/Tibetans are targeted due to their religion. The PRC ideology has no room for religion that puts Entities above nation. Uyghurs themselves have long history of rebellions to the point that nobody knows who started the tit-for-tat incident: the Uyghurs? the Han? You can have a long-winded argument but if you don't understand their history, culture, and 1 billion problems they have, then you don't "get" why their mindset is like that just like 'Murica with their guns and their "freedom of expression".
  - dang 7y ago
    Nationalistic and religious flamewar is not welcome here. Please do not post like this to HN again. I appreciate that you didn't mean your comment that way, but at the end it clearly crosses into flamebait, which is a contribution to destroying this community, not helping it. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
dang 7y ago
Deleting a comment after perpetuating a flamewar does nothing to unburn this place. However, we'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that the deletions mean you intend not to do this again. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- throwaway5752 7y ago
  I certainly do not intend to do this again. I think under normal times it would not have been as bad. I will take particular care under current circumstances. My sincere apologies to you.
  - dang 7y ago
    Appreciated! It makes me happy that I guessed right and didn't ban you. I hope everyone understands that we ban users not to punish anyone, but to protect the site. If people give us reason to believe that they sincerely want to use HN as intended, we're happy to unban them, and do that all the time. Also, we make mistakes sometimes—because moderation is guesswork—and appreciate being told when we do, so we can correct them.

Obviously there is no room for a constructive discussion on this. Edited to remove my post.

egdod 7y ago

It's not racist to call it the Chinese coronavirus.

archivist1 7y ago
YeH, just like bLaCkFAcE is NoT rAciST
- allovernow 7y ago
  How the hell is this anything comparable to blackface?
  - dang 7y ago
    Please don't respond to a bad comment with another bad comment. That's in the site guidelines: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html Edit: we've banned this account for doing flamewar on HN. Please see https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22607118 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22607118. If you don't want to be banned, you're welcome to email hn@ycombinator.com and give us reason to believe that you'll follow the rules in the future.
- egdod 7y ago
  Is it racist to call food in a style that originated from China "Chinese food"?
  - dang 7y ago
    We've banned this account for posting flamebait and unsubstantive comments. If you don't want to be banned, you're welcome to email hn@ycombinator.com and give us reason to believe that you'll follow the rules in the future. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
  - deleted 7y ago
    [deleted]
- dang 7y ago
  We've banned this account for flamewar posting. Please read https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22606977 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22606977, and if you don't want to be banned, you're welcome to email hn@ycombinator.com and give us reason to believe that you'll follow the rules in the future.
- voldacar 7y ago
  back to reddit
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BiasRegularizer 7y ago

So the Chinese Gov thought the proper way to respond to racism is to fuel misinformation and conspiracy theory?

commandlinefan 7y ago
> racism China is a country, not a race.
- BiasRegularizer 7y ago
  One can argue modern definition of racism has expanded much beyond race. Though I also didn't want to start a pedantic argument on the definition of racism with the original OP. Rather to point out how distastefully the Chinese Gov have acted in response to Trump and Pompeo.
- anoncake 7y ago
  Races only exist in the minds of racists to begin with.

whatshisface 7y ago

I'm not sure about "Chinese Virus" but including Wuhan, the place of origin, in the systematic name is standard practice for naming viral strains.

ceejayoz 7y ago
The WHO named it COVID-19 specifically to change that fact, as it leads to things like Asian-Americans being beat up despite having nothing to do with the virus.
- 2a0c40 7y ago
  COVID-19 is the disease. SARS-CoV-2 is the virus.
  - ceejayoz 7y ago
    COVID-19 is the term media, the CDC, etc. are using to discuss it. Being pedantic about it doesn't impress anyone. For example, https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/index.html https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/index.html says "Coronavirus (COVID-19)". So does https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019 https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2.... The point: WHO has moved away from geolocated names. https://www.wired.com/story/coronavirus-has-a-name-the-deadly-disease-is-covid-19/ https://www.wired.com/story/coronavirus-has-a-name-the-deadl...
wollstonecraft 7y ago
cf Marburgvirus
martinpw 7y ago
That is no longer the case as of 2015. Place names are no longer used because of the stigmatization issues: https://www.who.int/mediacentre/news/notes/2015/naming-new-diseases/en/ https://www.who.int/mediacentre/news/notes/2015/naming-new-d...

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allovernow 7y ago

This is not racist and if you're not a Chinese astroturfer you're playing right into their hands by spreading this idiotic take. China is a geographic region. The virus most originated from China. In any case it has become associated with China. If you can't hear the words "Chinese Virus" without feeling ill will towards Chinese people, the problem is with you, not with semantics.

dang 7y ago
We've banned this account for flamewar posting. Please read https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22606977 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22606977, and if you don't want to be banned, you're welcome to email hn@ycombinator.com and give us reason to believe that you'll follow the rules in the future.

droopyEyelids 7y ago

China is currently in the running for the most racist country in the world. From the wide-scale ethnic cleansing they're performing on Uyghurs and Tibetians, to their hostility to non-chinese, to the way that companies still post restrictions on your birth province for employment (though this is nominally illegal). To dilute the concept of racism, a concept meant to describe toxic and life-wrecking behavior like many of China's current policies, and try to stretch its meaning to cover the use of the geographical location of the origination of a virus- that is itself depraved behavior.

lostmsu 7y ago
Technically, those are not examples of racism. The later is intolerance to a (specific?) religion. Not sure about the former.
geofft 7y ago
It's absolutely possible for group X and group Y to both be discriminatory against each other, and the solution is not to well "Group X is right" - the solution is to treat discrimination, from whomever, as the bad thing.
hello_moto 7y ago
We should separate Uyghurs/Tibetans and other issue. Uyghurs/Tibetans are targeted due to their religion. The PRC ideology has no room for religion that puts Entities above nation. Uyghurs themselves have long history of rebellions to the point that nobody knows who started the tit-for-tat incident: the Uyghurs? the Han? You can have a long-winded argument but if you don't understand their history, culture, and 1 billion problems they have, then you don't "get" why their mindset is like that just like 'Murica with their guns and their "freedom of expression".
- dang 7y ago
  Nationalistic and religious flamewar is not welcome here. Please do not post like this to HN again. I appreciate that you didn't mean your comment that way, but at the end it clearly crosses into flamebait, which is a contribution to destroying this community, not helping it. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

dang 7y ago

Deleting a comment after perpetuating a flamewar does nothing to unburn this place. However, we'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that the deletions mean you intend not to do this again. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

throwaway5752 7y ago
I certainly do not intend to do this again. I think under normal times it would not have been as bad. I will take particular care under current circumstances. My sincere apologies to you.
- dang 7y ago
  Appreciated! It makes me happy that I guessed right and didn't ban you. I hope everyone understands that we ban users not to punish anyone, but to protect the site. If people give us reason to believe that they sincerely want to use HN as intended, we're happy to unban them, and do that all the time. Also, we make mistakes sometimes—because moderation is guesswork—and appreciate being told when we do, so we can correct them.