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It's no worse than everyone over here proclaiming it was coming out of a Chinese bio-weapons lab. They're no more responsible for the virus than the US/Mexico w

by soperj 7y ago

It's no worse than everyone over here proclaiming it was coming out of a Chinese bio-weapons lab. They're no more responsible for the virus than the US/Mexico was responsible for swine flu.

eloisius 7y ago
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- mlvljr 7y ago
  No decency whatsoever, those dirty whataboutists!
- soperj 7y ago
  Except I didn't what-about anything. Nor do I have any relation to the CCP.
  - eloisius 7y ago
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    - dang 7y ago
      This is the sort of comment we ban people for. Please see https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22607426 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22607426 and stop this now.
- dang 7y ago
  That attack on another user is egregiously against the site guidelines. Please don't post like that to HN. You've done a lot of damage with flamewar comments in this thread. I'm banning most users who did that. I'm not going to ban you, because you've been a great user in the past and have a long history here. But please read https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22606977 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22606977, stop now, and don't do any more of this. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
makomk 7y ago
No, it's worse. The Chinese government has apparently actively been censoring scientists and anyone else who points out the really obvious, glaring evidence that this virus originated in China, probably Wuhan. Their diplomats have been spreading the theory on social media too. This is basically a government-sanctioned conspiracy theory spread using the full power of a totalitarian state-run censorship apparatus.
egdod 7y ago
No, it is worse. Some idiot on Facebook with a conspiracy theory isn't in the same league as the propaganda arm of the Chinese Communist Party.
allovernow 7y ago
There is legitimate evidence of Canadian researchers working on coronaviruses in bats smuggling something to the Wuhan lab. Arrests were made a month before people across the world were taking the virus seriously. Also the lab in Wuhan has leaked at least one SARS strain in the past. >They're no more responsible for the virus Do you understand the conditions of the ubiquitous meat markets in China? Do you realize how easy it is for pathogens to spread when you stack wild animals in cages on top of each other, torture and butcher literally everything, wild animals off the street, in open air and on the literal ground? The reality is that most of China is third world. Sorry, sometimes specific cultural practices are harmful to people and societies.
- 131012 7y ago
  Can you give a more substantial account of your 'legitimate evidence'? Until then, this is pure nonsense.
  - allovernow 7y ago
    I'm on mobile so I don't have time to collate a bunch of sources for something you could search for online, so here's a link to a summary. NOTE: before you dismiss the source, notice that it is merely a commentary on a collection of individual sources that you can verify yourself. Now I do not agree with the conclusion in the link below, that this is a deliberate bioweapon, but there is ample circumstantial evidence here to at least presume that the virus could have leaked from the only level 4 biolab in China, which happens to be less than 10 miles from Wuhan. It's likely they were conducting legitimate research, all I'm pointing out is that the evidence for this actually coming from China is pretty good. https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/did-china-steal-coronavirus-canada-and-weaponize-it https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/did-china-steal-coron...
    - pinewurst 7y ago
      I fail to see how a link to a Russian disinformation site represents trustworthy sources.
spamlord 7y ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2y2uGlHT4iU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2y2uGlHT4iU Chinese culture is to blame. Try and stop boiling dogs alive, beating them with clubs, burning them alive with torches, and other torture. Also stop mass consumption of wild bushmeat and maybe all these zoonotic diseases will stop emerging in China.
- dang 7y ago
  We've banned this account for posting flamebait and unsubstantive comments. If you don't want to be banned, you're welcome to email hn@ycombinator.com and give us reason to believe that you'll follow the rules in the future. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

by soperj 7y ago

It's no worse than everyone over here proclaiming it was coming out of a Chinese bio-weapons lab. They're no more responsible for the virus than the US/Mexico was responsible for swine flu.

eloisius 7y ago

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mlvljr 7y ago
No decency whatsoever, those dirty whataboutists!
soperj 7y ago
Except I didn't what-about anything. Nor do I have any relation to the CCP.
- eloisius 7y ago
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  - dang 7y ago
    This is the sort of comment we ban people for. Please see https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22607426 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22607426 and stop this now.
dang 7y ago
That attack on another user is egregiously against the site guidelines. Please don't post like that to HN. You've done a lot of damage with flamewar comments in this thread. I'm banning most users who did that. I'm not going to ban you, because you've been a great user in the past and have a long history here. But please read https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22606977 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22606977, stop now, and don't do any more of this. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

makomk 7y ago

No, it's worse. The Chinese government has apparently actively been censoring scientists and anyone else who points out the really obvious, glaring evidence that this virus originated in China, probably Wuhan. Their diplomats have been spreading the theory on social media too. This is basically a government-sanctioned conspiracy theory spread using the full power of a totalitarian state-run censorship apparatus.

egdod 7y ago

No, it is worse. Some idiot on Facebook with a conspiracy theory isn't in the same league as the propaganda arm of the Chinese Communist Party.

allovernow 7y ago

There is legitimate evidence of Canadian researchers working on coronaviruses in bats smuggling something to the Wuhan lab. Arrests were made a month before people across the world were taking the virus seriously. Also the lab in Wuhan has leaked at least one SARS strain in the past. >They're no more responsible for the virus Do you understand the conditions of the ubiquitous meat markets in China? Do you realize how easy it is for pathogens to spread when you stack wild animals in cages on top of each other, torture and butcher literally everything, wild animals off the street, in open air and on the literal ground? The reality is that most of China is third world. Sorry, sometimes specific cultural practices are harmful to people and societies.

131012 7y ago
Can you give a more substantial account of your 'legitimate evidence'? Until then, this is pure nonsense.
- allovernow 7y ago
  I'm on mobile so I don't have time to collate a bunch of sources for something you could search for online, so here's a link to a summary. NOTE: before you dismiss the source, notice that it is merely a commentary on a collection of individual sources that you can verify yourself. Now I do not agree with the conclusion in the link below, that this is a deliberate bioweapon, but there is ample circumstantial evidence here to at least presume that the virus could have leaked from the only level 4 biolab in China, which happens to be less than 10 miles from Wuhan. It's likely they were conducting legitimate research, all I'm pointing out is that the evidence for this actually coming from China is pretty good. https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/did-china-steal-coronavirus-canada-and-weaponize-it https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/did-china-steal-coron...
  - pinewurst 7y ago
    I fail to see how a link to a Russian disinformation site represents trustworthy sources.

spamlord 7y ago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2y2uGlHT4iU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2y2uGlHT4iU Chinese culture is to blame. Try and stop boiling dogs alive, beating them with clubs, burning them alive with torches, and other torture. Also stop mass consumption of wild bushmeat and maybe all these zoonotic diseases will stop emerging in China.

dang 7y ago
We've banned this account for posting flamebait and unsubstantive comments. If you don't want to be banned, you're welcome to email hn@ycombinator.com and give us reason to believe that you'll follow the rules in the future. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html