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Skype is crap, it was doomed to die around that time frame anyway. If anything, Microsoft Business kept Skype going longer than it would have otherwise. Seriou

Skype is crap, it was doomed to die around that time frame anyway. If anything, Microsoft Business kept Skype going longer than it would have otherwise. Seriously, go use products like Google Hangouts, Slack or Microsoft Teams (Microsofts's surprisingly better clone of Slack) and then tell me that Skype was ruined by integrating with Microsoft's other product base. The closest argument you might be able to make is that Skype could have developed new features or updated its UI and stayed competitive, but that wouldn't give them the competitive edge that it's competitors nearly all had in terms of being backed by major tech companies. Additionally, the major revenue source was Business tier use, which Microsoft dramatically improved by integrating it with their other cloud-based business suite applications. Microsoft didn't kill Skype, if anything they extended its life expectancy and value in markets that actually paid to use it. It's dead/dying now because better tools have been developed and marketed to replace it. That's just standard product life cycle.

Summershard 7y ago
> Microsoft Teams (Microsofts's surprisingly better clone of Slack) Personal experience, but I have not found a single person who likes MS Teams. Usually people around me say that Slack is ok-ish, while MS Teams is crap.
- graphememes 7y ago
  I actually enjoy it, more than slack.
- atraac 7y ago
  Agree, Teams is an absolute shitshow of a communicator. Everything's wrong about it, from unintuitive UX, incredibly slow UI, up to terrible API design where even making a simple bot is laughably hard(try working with 'chats' instead of 'teams' or 'channels' and you'll see). Recent days also proved how bad infrastructure they have, they're not capable at handling bigger traffic at all. I've used Slack equally long before that and it was amazingly good in comparison(still not perfect though).
  - kuraudoOishii 7y ago
    I'll tell you one thing it does better: audio/video conferencing. We went full WFH and the usual suspects couldn't support us, but we discovered that teams is a thing we pay for and operates like a champ, haha.
- gtyras2mrs 7y ago
  While Teams isn't as good as Slack IMO, it is better than the experience of using Skype (Lync) For Business by a country mile. I've the misfortune of being forced to use Skype and I would kill to have it replaced with Teams at my workplace.
  - Galanwe 7y ago
    Skype for Business is not Skype. It's just a rebranding of Lync that happened after Skype acquisition. There is a half-baked link between Skype and Lync to make it seem like it's the same product. This link is all shitty mainly because Lync and Skype work completely differently, and even simple things like call signaling have to deal with years of legacy Microsoft SIP extensions that were punched into Lync. I remember the first time we received access to the Lync code repository. That stuff was a multi-GB (!!!) repository that contained files, promo videos, PDFs, code, etc. That tells you much about the development practices behind Lync.
    - shifto 7y ago
      I still run a Lync Server 2010 at home to chat with my wife using a MSN looking messenger. We used to chat a lot using MSN messenger and this is a way to hold onto it. I don't mind Lync at all!
- cocoa19 7y ago
  You haven't suffered worse tools. Have you ever heard of Lotus Notes / Lotus Sametime? It's not great, but in the corporate space, Teams does an OK job, and MS is a reputable company for B2B.
  - legooolas 7y ago
    "Better than Lotus Notes" is not a high bar.
Wilem82 7y ago
> Seriously, go use products like Google Hangouts Corporate standard at my place of work. I hate Hangouts with a passion. It's the worst messenger, feature- and UI- wise that I've seen for years. > Microsoft Teams (Microsofts's surprisingly better clone of Slack) No it isn't. Used Teams at another company which adopted it as the standard. Couple of years ago. Feature-wise it was like a proof of concept, very early access. > Additionally, the major revenue source was Business tier use, which Microsoft dramatically improved by integrating it with their other cloud-based business suite applications. Again, I worked at another company where Skype for Business was the standard and nobody ever used it unless they needed formal IT help or something. All the teams I'm acquainted with at my current place refuse to communicate on Hangouts and, in violation of corporate policies use something else like Slack or Mattermost.
- wwn_se 7y ago
  Teams a few years ago is not a good comparison it has evolved a lot since just a year ago. Wile slack is getting more bloated and messy, through currently okey to use.

Summershard 7y ago

> Microsoft Teams (Microsofts's surprisingly better clone of Slack) Personal experience, but I have not found a single person who likes MS Teams. Usually people around me say that Slack is ok-ish, while MS Teams is crap.

graphememes 7y ago
I actually enjoy it, more than slack.
atraac 7y ago
Agree, Teams is an absolute shitshow of a communicator. Everything's wrong about it, from unintuitive UX, incredibly slow UI, up to terrible API design where even making a simple bot is laughably hard(try working with 'chats' instead of 'teams' or 'channels' and you'll see). Recent days also proved how bad infrastructure they have, they're not capable at handling bigger traffic at all. I've used Slack equally long before that and it was amazingly good in comparison(still not perfect though).
- kuraudoOishii 7y ago
  I'll tell you one thing it does better: audio/video conferencing. We went full WFH and the usual suspects couldn't support us, but we discovered that teams is a thing we pay for and operates like a champ, haha.
gtyras2mrs 7y ago
While Teams isn't as good as Slack IMO, it is better than the experience of using Skype (Lync) For Business by a country mile. I've the misfortune of being forced to use Skype and I would kill to have it replaced with Teams at my workplace.
- Galanwe 7y ago
  Skype for Business is not Skype. It's just a rebranding of Lync that happened after Skype acquisition. There is a half-baked link between Skype and Lync to make it seem like it's the same product. This link is all shitty mainly because Lync and Skype work completely differently, and even simple things like call signaling have to deal with years of legacy Microsoft SIP extensions that were punched into Lync. I remember the first time we received access to the Lync code repository. That stuff was a multi-GB (!!!) repository that contained files, promo videos, PDFs, code, etc. That tells you much about the development practices behind Lync.
  - shifto 7y ago
    I still run a Lync Server 2010 at home to chat with my wife using a MSN looking messenger. We used to chat a lot using MSN messenger and this is a way to hold onto it. I don't mind Lync at all!
cocoa19 7y ago
You haven't suffered worse tools. Have you ever heard of Lotus Notes / Lotus Sametime? It's not great, but in the corporate space, Teams does an OK job, and MS is a reputable company for B2B.
- legooolas 7y ago
  "Better than Lotus Notes" is not a high bar.

Wilem82 7y ago

> Seriously, go use products like Google Hangouts Corporate standard at my place of work. I hate Hangouts with a passion. It's the worst messenger, feature- and UI- wise that I've seen for years. > Microsoft Teams (Microsofts's surprisingly better clone of Slack) No it isn't. Used Teams at another company which adopted it as the standard. Couple of years ago. Feature-wise it was like a proof of concept, very early access. > Additionally, the major revenue source was Business tier use, which Microsoft dramatically improved by integrating it with their other cloud-based business suite applications. Again, I worked at another company where Skype for Business was the standard and nobody ever used it unless they needed formal IT help or something. All the teams I'm acquainted with at my current place refuse to communicate on Hangouts and, in violation of corporate policies use something else like Slack or Mattermost.

wwn_se 7y ago
Teams a few years ago is not a good comparison it has evolved a lot since just a year ago. Wile slack is getting more bloated and messy, through currently okey to use.