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The narrative in China right now is finding ways of externalizing the problem. One narrative either pushed intentionally or by fake news sources are blaming Ame

The narrative in China right now is finding ways of externalizing the problem. One narrative either pushed intentionally or by fake news sources are blaming American soldiers that were in Wuhan for a military fitness competition. While it sounds crazy it's widely believed. The source works for government in Guangzhou.

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archivist1 7y ago
> The narrative in China right now... Because there's one narrative in China, folks, and this douchebag knows what it is. But seriously, don't buy what he's selling. The only narrative China needs right now is its victory lap. It's nearly stopped new cases. Xi visited Hebei/Wuhan. The comment above is wishful thinking of the highest order, and perfect projection. It's Western media and nincompoops like this clown who seem to need to play the "blame game" China got on with solving the problem. Now they're taking a victory lap and responding to requests to help overseas. The Chinese, if they are blaming anyone, are not blaming foreigners for this, they're blaming the Hebei provincial authorities for their initial mistakes in handling it. Because they've been successful at containing a virus in the largest country on Earth, they don't need to play the blame game. It's slow-to-act and complacement Western-style governments that are in desperate need of a finger of blame to point at anyone but themselves.
- wurst_case 7y ago
  Honestly, both of you need to provide sources to support your point of view.
  - jdmg94 7y ago
    China literally sent a team of medics to Italy to help with the virus: https://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2020/03/13/world/europe/13reuters-health-coronavirus-italy-respirators.html https://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2020/03/13/world/europe/13re...
    - strictnein 7y ago
      That wasn't free. But, yes, they sold another country some goods that are in high demand.
      - boomboomsubban 7y ago
        The stories I can easily find show the doctors arriving with 30 tons of donated medical supplies and none mention China being paid for them.
      - Dahoon 7y ago
        The doctors was from China Red Cross, so yes, it was absolutely 100% free. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-italy-respirators/china-sends-medical-supplies-experts-to-help-italy-battle-coronavirus-idUSKBN2101IM https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-italy-...
    - LunaSea 7y ago
      Because they know that the worse the crisis gets, the harsher the economical consequences for China will be. Countries and citizens remember where the virus comes from, like they do for SARS and it they will put pressure on their governments to move production elsewhere.
      - tomp 7y ago
        I think China will be "punished" anyways, regardless when this crisis ends. There's no way globalization will continue in the future, governments will force companies to move production of essential supplies (food, medicine, raw materials) back locally to make their economies resilient to similar shocks in the future. Fortunately, for China, the country is starting to have enough local consumption that it probably doesn't need to be just an export hub any more (but undoubtedly it will hurt). Edit: this will, I predict, hurt Western companies & shareholders as well. I expect many companies to be much more rigorously stress-tested for supply chain and/or labour issues, similar to how banks are stress-tested for credit issues. This will mean thinner margins, lower profits.
- jdmg94 7y ago
  This is the times were you see who really is a global power and who is just posing
- allovernow 7y ago
  You are a plain fool if you don't understand that the CCP literally sets the narrative out of China, imposed with force. Tow the line or, at best, lose social credit points, at worst enjoy your permanent stay at gulag. The Soviet Union only collapsed some 30 years ago. The CCCP was literally the model that the CCP is based on. Don't be naive.
  - dang 7y ago
    You've done a lot of damage in this thread. I'm not going to ban you because you've been a good user in the past, but please read https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22606977 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22606977 and don't do this again. Edit: I spoke too soon. Alas, you've been spreading this contagion in other threads as well—including shockingly bad-for-HN comments like https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22587177 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22587177. Therefore I've banned your account. If you don't want to be banned, you're welcome to email hn@ycombinator.com and give us reason to believe that you'll follow the rules in the future.
- BiasRegularizer 7y ago
  One of the headline news from a couple of days ago, voicing support for Foreign Ministry Spokesperson's conspiracy rant on twitter. It's bizarre and make Chinese Gov look extremely childish. https://new.qq.com/omn/20200313/20200313A06PZU00.html https://new.qq.com/omn/20200313/20200313A06PZU00.html
- dang 7y ago
  We've banned this account for flamewar posting. Please read https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22606977 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22606977, and if you don't want to be banned, you're welcome to email hn@ycombinator.com and give us reason to believe that you'll follow the rules in the future.
- jc01480 7y ago
  Executing the infected hardly seems like something to take a victory lap over regardless of nationality.
datashow 7y ago
Yeah. Someone made a good point: all those Chinese scientists and their supervisors and local government and local police and numerous agencies were actually acting to protect the US. Xi obviously has lost control of the Chinese government to secret US agents. Lol.
- dang 7y ago
  We've banned this account for flamewar posting. Please read https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22606977 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22606977, and if you don't want to be banned, you're welcome to email hn@ycombinator.com and give us reason to believe that you'll follow the rules in the future.
soperj 7y ago
It's no worse than everyone over here proclaiming it was coming out of a Chinese bio-weapons lab. They're no more responsible for the virus than the US/Mexico was responsible for swine flu.
- eloisius 7y ago
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  - mlvljr 7y ago
    No decency whatsoever, those dirty whataboutists!
  - soperj 7y ago
    Except I didn't what-about anything. Nor do I have any relation to the CCP.
    - eloisius 7y ago
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      - dang 7y ago
        This is the sort of comment we ban people for. Please see https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22607426 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22607426 and stop this now.
  - dang 7y ago
    That attack on another user is egregiously against the site guidelines. Please don't post like that to HN. You've done a lot of damage with flamewar comments in this thread. I'm banning most users who did that. I'm not going to ban you, because you've been a great user in the past and have a long history here. But please read https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22606977 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22606977, stop now, and don't do any more of this. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
throwaway5752 7y ago
Obviously there is no room for a constructive discussion on this. Edited to remove my post.
- egdod 7y ago
  It's not racist to call it the Chinese coronavirus.
  - archivist1 7y ago
    YeH, just like bLaCkFAcE is NoT rAciST
    - allovernow 7y ago
      How the hell is this anything comparable to blackface?
      - dang 7y ago
        Please don't respond to a bad comment with another bad comment. That's in the site guidelines: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html Edit: we've banned this account for doing flamewar on HN. Please see https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22607118 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22607118. If you don't want to be banned, you're welcome to email hn@ycombinator.com and give us reason to believe that you'll follow the rules in the future.
    - egdod 7y ago
      Is it racist to call food in a style that originated from China "Chinese food"?
      - dang 7y ago
        We've banned this account for posting flamebait and unsubstantive comments. If you don't want to be banned, you're welcome to email hn@ycombinator.com and give us reason to believe that you'll follow the rules in the future. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
mytailorisrich 7y ago
Equally there is a narrative of blaming China for it all. Examples in this very thread. Everyone is trying to find a culprit to pin the blame on instead of looking at their own shortcomings.
- gmiller123456 7y ago
  Yes, people are blaming the Chinese government, because there's evidence that they actually tried to cover it up and botched the response. Sometimes blame is rightly placed.
  - mytailorisrich 7y ago
    They may have screwed up at first but then they reacted drastically and made huge efforts, which are paying off. I'm not convinced that others would have managed it better overall. The Chinese are now helping others. Experts have been warning us for years than something like this coronavirus was coming, and we got several alerts (SARS, MERS, etc). The Chinese cannot be blamed for the global spread of the virus and for the lack of readiness of other countries. Let's focus on defeating this virus through global cooperation instead of pointing fingers. Once this pandemic is behind us then hopefully everyone will reflect and learn what can be learned from it.
    - DevKoala 7y ago
      Did they really? I keep hearing they have contained it, but I also get reports that they haven’t. Also, something needs to change for their policies to not impact the rest of the world in such drastic manner. https://www.reddit.com/r/Iamactuallyverybadass/comments/fhjukb/this_chinese_woman_is_actually_very_badass/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf https://www.reddit.com/r/Iamactuallyverybadass/comments/fhju...
      - fesoliveira 7y ago
        Please, try to use official sources, like the WHO or CDC to base your assumptions. Anecdotal reports on Reddit do little to add to the discussion, specially since it is very hard to verify claims people post there.
wangii 7y ago
Yes, it's just like that and it's ugly. There is also plenty has been done on the other side of Pacific Ocean. And now, reading through the thread it's clear how much we hate each other. Or fear? At the beginning of the trade war, one of my fav NYT columnist remarked Trump was the opponent Chinese deserved, despite being pretty anti-Trump in all other regards, and had being promoted globalization for decades. Last week, there has been a surge of articles on the Chinese websphere, describing how impotent the western authorities were when dealing with COVID-19, implied superiority of the system/culture. However, in spite of the height of nationalism, there were articles in Chinese mainstream called for respect and understanding, and they would probably never be reported anywhere in the west, after all, not news-worthy. I thought COVID-19 would have brought us closer to deal with the unknown in front of all of us. We blew it. welcome to the era of 2nd cold war, if we are lucky enough.
- baq 7y ago
  There are egos at the top of every superpower which don’t see themselves as equal to mostly anyone. As long as that’s the case, there will be a Cold War or something similar.
  - magicsmoke 7y ago
    You might wonder if the path to leadership is especially enticing to people with overinflated egos that enjoy the high they get from ordering others around.
    - lowdose 7y ago
      Top of the piramide is for narcissists, some just have learned better to play the sympathetic character. Since recent the most efficient modus is to not be bothered by that thin layer of veneer.
- aguyfromnb 7y ago
  >We blew it. What did we "blow" by not appeasing governments that do things like this? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xinjiang_re-education_camps https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xinjiang_re-education_camps I really don't understand how things like this are acceptable for the sake of commerce. We should expect more of our allies and partners.

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archivist1 7y ago

> The narrative in China right now... Because there's one narrative in China, folks, and this douchebag knows what it is. But seriously, don't buy what he's selling. The only narrative China needs right now is its victory lap. It's nearly stopped new cases. Xi visited Hebei/Wuhan. The comment above is wishful thinking of the highest order, and perfect projection. It's Western media and nincompoops like this clown who seem to need to play the "blame game" China got on with solving the problem. Now they're taking a victory lap and responding to requests to help overseas. The Chinese, if they are blaming anyone, are not blaming foreigners for this, they're blaming the Hebei provincial authorities for their initial mistakes in handling it. Because they've been successful at containing a virus in the largest country on Earth, they don't need to play the blame game. It's slow-to-act and complacement Western-style governments that are in desperate need of a finger of blame to point at anyone but themselves.

wurst_case 7y ago
Honestly, both of you need to provide sources to support your point of view.
- jdmg94 7y ago
  China literally sent a team of medics to Italy to help with the virus: https://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2020/03/13/world/europe/13reuters-health-coronavirus-italy-respirators.html https://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2020/03/13/world/europe/13re...
  - strictnein 7y ago
    That wasn't free. But, yes, they sold another country some goods that are in high demand.
    - boomboomsubban 7y ago
      The stories I can easily find show the doctors arriving with 30 tons of donated medical supplies and none mention China being paid for them.
    - Dahoon 7y ago
      The doctors was from China Red Cross, so yes, it was absolutely 100% free. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-italy-respirators/china-sends-medical-supplies-experts-to-help-italy-battle-coronavirus-idUSKBN2101IM https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-italy-...
  - LunaSea 7y ago
    Because they know that the worse the crisis gets, the harsher the economical consequences for China will be. Countries and citizens remember where the virus comes from, like they do for SARS and it they will put pressure on their governments to move production elsewhere.
    - tomp 7y ago
      I think China will be "punished" anyways, regardless when this crisis ends. There's no way globalization will continue in the future, governments will force companies to move production of essential supplies (food, medicine, raw materials) back locally to make their economies resilient to similar shocks in the future. Fortunately, for China, the country is starting to have enough local consumption that it probably doesn't need to be just an export hub any more (but undoubtedly it will hurt). Edit: this will, I predict, hurt Western companies & shareholders as well. I expect many companies to be much more rigorously stress-tested for supply chain and/or labour issues, similar to how banks are stress-tested for credit issues. This will mean thinner margins, lower profits.
jdmg94 7y ago
This is the times were you see who really is a global power and who is just posing
allovernow 7y ago
You are a plain fool if you don't understand that the CCP literally sets the narrative out of China, imposed with force. Tow the line or, at best, lose social credit points, at worst enjoy your permanent stay at gulag. The Soviet Union only collapsed some 30 years ago. The CCCP was literally the model that the CCP is based on. Don't be naive.
- dang 7y ago
  You've done a lot of damage in this thread. I'm not going to ban you because you've been a good user in the past, but please read https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22606977 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22606977 and don't do this again. Edit: I spoke too soon. Alas, you've been spreading this contagion in other threads as well—including shockingly bad-for-HN comments like https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22587177 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22587177. Therefore I've banned your account. If you don't want to be banned, you're welcome to email hn@ycombinator.com and give us reason to believe that you'll follow the rules in the future.
BiasRegularizer 7y ago
One of the headline news from a couple of days ago, voicing support for Foreign Ministry Spokesperson's conspiracy rant on twitter. It's bizarre and make Chinese Gov look extremely childish. https://new.qq.com/omn/20200313/20200313A06PZU00.html https://new.qq.com/omn/20200313/20200313A06PZU00.html
dang 7y ago
We've banned this account for flamewar posting. Please read https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22606977 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22606977, and if you don't want to be banned, you're welcome to email hn@ycombinator.com and give us reason to believe that you'll follow the rules in the future.
jc01480 7y ago
Executing the infected hardly seems like something to take a victory lap over regardless of nationality.

datashow 7y ago

Yeah. Someone made a good point: all those Chinese scientists and their supervisors and local government and local police and numerous agencies were actually acting to protect the US. Xi obviously has lost control of the Chinese government to secret US agents. Lol.

dang 7y ago
We've banned this account for flamewar posting. Please read https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22606977 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22606977, and if you don't want to be banned, you're welcome to email hn@ycombinator.com and give us reason to believe that you'll follow the rules in the future.

soperj 7y ago

It's no worse than everyone over here proclaiming it was coming out of a Chinese bio-weapons lab. They're no more responsible for the virus than the US/Mexico was responsible for swine flu.

eloisius 7y ago
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- mlvljr 7y ago
  No decency whatsoever, those dirty whataboutists!
- soperj 7y ago
  Except I didn't what-about anything. Nor do I have any relation to the CCP.
  - eloisius 7y ago
    Deleted
    - dang 7y ago
      This is the sort of comment we ban people for. Please see https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22607426 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22607426 and stop this now.
- dang 7y ago
  That attack on another user is egregiously against the site guidelines. Please don't post like that to HN. You've done a lot of damage with flamewar comments in this thread. I'm banning most users who did that. I'm not going to ban you, because you've been a great user in the past and have a long history here. But please read https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22606977 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22606977, stop now, and don't do any more of this. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

throwaway5752 7y ago

Obviously there is no room for a constructive discussion on this. Edited to remove my post.

egdod 7y ago
It's not racist to call it the Chinese coronavirus.
- archivist1 7y ago
  YeH, just like bLaCkFAcE is NoT rAciST
  - allovernow 7y ago
    How the hell is this anything comparable to blackface?
    - dang 7y ago
      Please don't respond to a bad comment with another bad comment. That's in the site guidelines: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html Edit: we've banned this account for doing flamewar on HN. Please see https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22607118 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22607118. If you don't want to be banned, you're welcome to email hn@ycombinator.com and give us reason to believe that you'll follow the rules in the future.
  - egdod 7y ago
    Is it racist to call food in a style that originated from China "Chinese food"?
    - dang 7y ago
      We've banned this account for posting flamebait and unsubstantive comments. If you don't want to be banned, you're welcome to email hn@ycombinator.com and give us reason to believe that you'll follow the rules in the future. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

mytailorisrich 7y ago

Equally there is a narrative of blaming China for it all. Examples in this very thread. Everyone is trying to find a culprit to pin the blame on instead of looking at their own shortcomings.

gmiller123456 7y ago
Yes, people are blaming the Chinese government, because there's evidence that they actually tried to cover it up and botched the response. Sometimes blame is rightly placed.
- mytailorisrich 7y ago
  They may have screwed up at first but then they reacted drastically and made huge efforts, which are paying off. I'm not convinced that others would have managed it better overall. The Chinese are now helping others. Experts have been warning us for years than something like this coronavirus was coming, and we got several alerts (SARS, MERS, etc). The Chinese cannot be blamed for the global spread of the virus and for the lack of readiness of other countries. Let's focus on defeating this virus through global cooperation instead of pointing fingers. Once this pandemic is behind us then hopefully everyone will reflect and learn what can be learned from it.
  - DevKoala 7y ago
    Did they really? I keep hearing they have contained it, but I also get reports that they haven’t. Also, something needs to change for their policies to not impact the rest of the world in such drastic manner. https://www.reddit.com/r/Iamactuallyverybadass/comments/fhjukb/this_chinese_woman_is_actually_very_badass/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf https://www.reddit.com/r/Iamactuallyverybadass/comments/fhju...
    - fesoliveira 7y ago
      Please, try to use official sources, like the WHO or CDC to base your assumptions. Anecdotal reports on Reddit do little to add to the discussion, specially since it is very hard to verify claims people post there.

wangii 7y ago

Yes, it's just like that and it's ugly. There is also plenty has been done on the other side of Pacific Ocean. And now, reading through the thread it's clear how much we hate each other. Or fear? At the beginning of the trade war, one of my fav NYT columnist remarked Trump was the opponent Chinese deserved, despite being pretty anti-Trump in all other regards, and had being promoted globalization for decades. Last week, there has been a surge of articles on the Chinese websphere, describing how impotent the western authorities were when dealing with COVID-19, implied superiority of the system/culture. However, in spite of the height of nationalism, there were articles in Chinese mainstream called for respect and understanding, and they would probably never be reported anywhere in the west, after all, not news-worthy. I thought COVID-19 would have brought us closer to deal with the unknown in front of all of us. We blew it. welcome to the era of 2nd cold war, if we are lucky enough.

baq 7y ago
There are egos at the top of every superpower which don’t see themselves as equal to mostly anyone. As long as that’s the case, there will be a Cold War or something similar.
- magicsmoke 7y ago
  You might wonder if the path to leadership is especially enticing to people with overinflated egos that enjoy the high they get from ordering others around.
  - lowdose 7y ago
    Top of the piramide is for narcissists, some just have learned better to play the sympathetic character. Since recent the most efficient modus is to not be bothered by that thin layer of veneer.
aguyfromnb 7y ago
>We blew it. What did we "blow" by not appeasing governments that do things like this? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xinjiang_re-education_camps https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xinjiang_re-education_camps I really don't understand how things like this are acceptable for the sake of commerce. We should expect more of our allies and partners.