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>Taking money from one person and giving to another is immoral Basically every society in the world does this, how is it immoral? I think it is immoral not to

>Taking money from one person and giving to another is immoral Basically every society in the world does this, how is it immoral? I think it is immoral not to do that, considering that there is no way that any society can guarantee absolute equality of opportunity for all citizens.

kuzimoto 7y ago
> Basically every society in the world does this, how is it immoral? The difference is taxes should be paying for public goods, to which everyone is equally entitled and able to use. Taking money from one person to give directly to another person is stealing, how is that not immoral? > considering that there is no way that any society can guarantee absolute equality of opportunity for all citizens. It's impossible to guarantee that. Some people are born rich, some are born poor. What can be guaranteed is equal protection of your rights and your individual freedoms. There is no right to equality in the economic sense, because it requires infringing on the rights of others.
- ubercow13 7y ago
  Taxation is not stealing. In the ECHR for example your right to property is completely superseded by anything the government decides is in the best interest of society: >(1) Every natural or legal person is entitled to the peaceful enjoyment of his possessions. No one shall be deprived of his possessions except in the public interest and subject to the conditions provided for by law and by the general principles of international law. >(2) The preceding provisions shall not, however, in any way impair the right of a state to enforce such laws as it deems necessary to control the use of property in accordance with the general interest or to secure the payment of taxes or other contributions or penalties.
  - kuzimoto 7y ago
    > No one shall be deprived of his possessions except in the public interest As I mentioned, taxes for public goods makes sense. If they are just going directly to someone else's pocket then it's not exactly for the "public" at that point. The ECHR is missing the freedom of speech, so I wouldn't look to that as a leader in individual rights.

kuzimoto 7y ago

> Basically every society in the world does this, how is it immoral? The difference is taxes should be paying for public goods, to which everyone is equally entitled and able to use. Taking money from one person to give directly to another person is stealing, how is that not immoral? > considering that there is no way that any society can guarantee absolute equality of opportunity for all citizens. It's impossible to guarantee that. Some people are born rich, some are born poor. What can be guaranteed is equal protection of your rights and your individual freedoms. There is no right to equality in the economic sense, because it requires infringing on the rights of others.

ubercow13 7y ago
Taxation is not stealing. In the ECHR for example your right to property is completely superseded by anything the government decides is in the best interest of society: >(1) Every natural or legal person is entitled to the peaceful enjoyment of his possessions. No one shall be deprived of his possessions except in the public interest and subject to the conditions provided for by law and by the general principles of international law. >(2) The preceding provisions shall not, however, in any way impair the right of a state to enforce such laws as it deems necessary to control the use of property in accordance with the general interest or to secure the payment of taxes or other contributions or penalties.
- kuzimoto 7y ago
  > No one shall be deprived of his possessions except in the public interest As I mentioned, taxes for public goods makes sense. If they are just going directly to someone else's pocket then it's not exactly for the "public" at that point. The ECHR is missing the freedom of speech, so I wouldn't look to that as a leader in individual rights.