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Climate change aside: This trend of measuring what resources rich people use compared to everyone else just snacks of jealousy. Who cares if energy distributio

Climate change aside: This trend of measuring what resources rich people use compared to everyone else just snacks of jealousy. Who cares if energy distribution isn't "equitable"?? Just live your life and stop comparing. Edit: Prepared to eat Karma here, but it's what I believe.

folli 7y ago
Aren't we somehow in this boat together?
- reallydontask 7y ago
  Some of us are more in it than others :)
  - folli 7y ago
    I don't know, some of us might have a more luxurious cabin on a top floor, where it takes longer for the water to leak in, but the boat is sinking nonetheless.
- praptak 7y ago
  Some of us are reluctant to give up the good seats in order to save the boat.
  - blunte 7y ago
    More accurately, some passengers are rich enough to afford to buy an extra seat just to carry their extra luggage, depriving a poorer person the opportunity to share the ride.
    - esarbe 7y ago
      An extra seat? The whole deck.
      - esarbe 7y ago
        I mean, seriously, have you had a look at wealth distribution? It's about 0.7 percent that owns about 46% of all the wealth. (https://interactive.guim.co.uk/charts/embed/nov/2017-11-13T16:11:56/embed.html https://interactive.guim.co.uk/charts/embed/nov/2017-11-13T1...) To stay with the boat analogy; the top half of the boat is nearly empty, reserved for the exclusive use of some few rich people (and maybe their servants), while the lower decks with the machinery is teeming with masses of poor people, crowded by the hundreds into vast rooms right beside the boilers, devoid of any infrastructure or sanitation, barely able to move or breath. The boat is sinking and the poor in the lower decks are drowning. All the while the few rich in the upper decks are trying to cut a way pieces of the boat and make them swim by themselves.
        blunte 7y ago
        Indeed. And when something like Corona hits, and the mass of poor people get sick all at the same time, then the boat stops moving. We are observing the early stages of a correction in the way of life, and I daresay the near/medium term future will be quite different than things have been for the previous 40 yeras.
reallydontask 7y ago
>>This trend of measuring what resources rich people use compared to everyone else just snacks of jealousy. It's interesting that you bring up jealousy as argument on the distribution of a limited resource. There are reasons for people to be jealous of others. e.g. Not having enough or people getting more than their fair share through having won the birth lottery or other types of luck. >>Who cares if energy distribution isn't "equitable"?? I personally don't too much, because I'm lucky enough to have a relatively well paid job in a generally stable country, that is unlikely to bear the brunt of climate change (unless the gulf stream switches off and we start experiencing European Winters), should my circumstances be different, I might be more inclined to care a lot more than I do. But you know all of this
- jbdigriz 7y ago
  Explain "getting more than their fair share" in precise terms please, taking into account progressive taxation. I'll wait.
esarbe 7y ago
It's not the consumption of resources that's the problem, it's the unnecessary, totally out of bounds consumption of resources while other people pay the bill for said boundless consumption. It's fine to eat as much as you want, it's not fine to force other people to deal with your excrements. I'm not sure if I'd call "My crop is failing and me and my family are starving because of climate change and the resulting changed weather patterns" and argument from jealousy though.
VBprogrammer 7y ago
If you profiled some code and found that 1% of your code was responsible for 80% of the time spent wouldn't you think it's necessary to concentrate your efforts on that 1% of the code?
thundergolfer 7y ago
The low energy availability of people in the third-world means they don’t have nearly the same level of access to safe food sources, safe shelter, and healthcare. This means they suffer and die in horrible numbers compared to the rich. You genuinely think they should just live their lives and stop comparing themselves to people that enjoy such basic amenities like stable lighting and heat?
blunte 7y ago
You've got to think for a moment about how your actions impact other people and vice versa. For example, if you say, "This is my land, I'll do whatever I want on it - it's my right as the owner of the property;" but you're dumping industrial waste into the stream that flows through it, then you're negatively impacting your neighbors downstream. The poor person downstream who has no clean water may be jealous of your fancy car and house, but chances are they are more concerned with how you've ruined their resource by your own greed.

folli 7y ago

Aren't we somehow in this boat together?

reallydontask 7y ago
Some of us are more in it than others :)
- folli 7y ago
  I don't know, some of us might have a more luxurious cabin on a top floor, where it takes longer for the water to leak in, but the boat is sinking nonetheless.
praptak 7y ago
Some of us are reluctant to give up the good seats in order to save the boat.
- blunte 7y ago
  More accurately, some passengers are rich enough to afford to buy an extra seat just to carry their extra luggage, depriving a poorer person the opportunity to share the ride.
  - esarbe 7y ago
    An extra seat? The whole deck.
    - esarbe 7y ago
      I mean, seriously, have you had a look at wealth distribution? It's about 0.7 percent that owns about 46% of all the wealth. (https://interactive.guim.co.uk/charts/embed/nov/2017-11-13T16:11:56/embed.html https://interactive.guim.co.uk/charts/embed/nov/2017-11-13T1...) To stay with the boat analogy; the top half of the boat is nearly empty, reserved for the exclusive use of some few rich people (and maybe their servants), while the lower decks with the machinery is teeming with masses of poor people, crowded by the hundreds into vast rooms right beside the boilers, devoid of any infrastructure or sanitation, barely able to move or breath. The boat is sinking and the poor in the lower decks are drowning. All the while the few rich in the upper decks are trying to cut a way pieces of the boat and make them swim by themselves.
      - blunte 7y ago
        Indeed. And when something like Corona hits, and the mass of poor people get sick all at the same time, then the boat stops moving. We are observing the early stages of a correction in the way of life, and I daresay the near/medium term future will be quite different than things have been for the previous 40 yeras.

reallydontask 7y ago

>>This trend of measuring what resources rich people use compared to everyone else just snacks of jealousy. It's interesting that you bring up jealousy as argument on the distribution of a limited resource. There are reasons for people to be jealous of others. e.g. Not having enough or people getting more than their fair share through having won the birth lottery or other types of luck. >>Who cares if energy distribution isn't "equitable"?? I personally don't too much, because I'm lucky enough to have a relatively well paid job in a generally stable country, that is unlikely to bear the brunt of climate change (unless the gulf stream switches off and we start experiencing European Winters), should my circumstances be different, I might be more inclined to care a lot more than I do. But you know all of this

jbdigriz 7y ago
Explain "getting more than their fair share" in precise terms please, taking into account progressive taxation. I'll wait.

esarbe 7y ago

It's not the consumption of resources that's the problem, it's the unnecessary, totally out of bounds consumption of resources while other people pay the bill for said boundless consumption. It's fine to eat as much as you want, it's not fine to force other people to deal with your excrements. I'm not sure if I'd call "My crop is failing and me and my family are starving because of climate change and the resulting changed weather patterns" and argument from jealousy though.

VBprogrammer 7y ago

If you profiled some code and found that 1% of your code was responsible for 80% of the time spent wouldn't you think it's necessary to concentrate your efforts on that 1% of the code?

thundergolfer 7y ago

The low energy availability of people in the third-world means they don’t have nearly the same level of access to safe food sources, safe shelter, and healthcare. This means they suffer and die in horrible numbers compared to the rich. You genuinely think they should just live their lives and stop comparing themselves to people that enjoy such basic amenities like stable lighting and heat?

blunte 7y ago

You've got to think for a moment about how your actions impact other people and vice versa. For example, if you say, "This is my land, I'll do whatever I want on it - it's my right as the owner of the property;" but you're dumping industrial waste into the stream that flows through it, then you're negatively impacting your neighbors downstream. The poor person downstream who has no clean water may be jealous of your fancy car and house, but chances are they are more concerned with how you've ruined their resource by your own greed.